# 2023 World Baseball Classic thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928 "2023-03-09T12:23:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/1 "2023-03-09T12:23:58Z")
Anyone following it? First time it’s been held since 2017. Twenty teams in the tournament this time, which is the largest-ever pool. Group stage ongoing as we speak. I went to the Panama game in Taichung last night, the home crowd was raucous at first but fell as quiet as a funeral as Taiwan fell behind 11-1. Having 20,000 people sitting in stone silence is a very eerie feeling. Japan is probably the tournament favorite again. The USA vs. Mexico game is highly anticipated. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/2 "2023-03-09T21:39:11Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Japan is probably the tournament favorite again. Are there particular rules that would give them the edge over the Dominican or American teams? They’re friggin juggernauts. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/3 "2023-03-09T22:35:54Z")
Italy defeated Cuba 6-3, which has to be an upset. Famed Italian hurler Matt Harvey pitched three scoreless innings for the victors. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/4 "2023-03-13T13:04:56Z")
The US team seems really underwhelming and poorly managed. I get that pitching is going to be tough to muster up this time of year, with most bigger names preferring to stay at their team camp and with their regular pitching coaches. But oof - what a terrible performance. Mexico is a really good team, and it’s a one game sample size - but the US didn’t look all that sharp against Great Britain either. Venezuela is looking REALLY good. The Venezuela/Dominican game over the weekend was awesome - I got a chance to watch most of it, and both teams brought a lot of passion to the game. They’ll each likely advance from their pool, and I’d guess we’ll see them again in the quarter finals against each other. On the other side of the world, did anyone see the 79 mph throwing Czech electrician strike out Shohei Ohtani?! That’ll be a story he gets to tell for the rest of his life. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/5 "2023-03-13T14:48:39Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I get that pitching is going to be tough to muster up this time of year, with most bigger names preferring to stay at their team camp and with their regular pitching coaches For this reason, it’s more of an exhibition than an actual tournament. The stakes aren’t high enough to put the best pitchers out there and push them to their usual limits. Perhaps someday there will be an actual World Series, but until then… ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/6 "2023-03-13T14:56:40Z")
I don’t mind if pitchers only go 3 IP, because they’re throwing at near-max at this point of spring training. I just want better pitchers on the mound than Brady Singer and Daniel Bard. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/7 "2023-03-14T01:42:18Z")
Puerto Rico just walked off a perfect game in the bottom of the 8th. World Baseball Classic baseball is weird sometimes. There’s a 10-run mercy rule in the WBC, so Puerto Rico went into the bottom of the 8th up 0-9 and needed one more run to finish Israel off. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/8 "2023-03-14T13:45:19Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > For this reason, it’s more of an exhibition than an actual tournament. The stakes aren’t high enough to put the best pitchers out there and push them to their usual limits. Perhaps someday there will be an actual World Series, If I was the King of Baseball I’d shut MLB down for three weeks every summer. Instead of an All Star Game there would be a WBC. The MLB season would be shortened to accommodate. Having competitive baseball in early March just doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/9 "2023-03-21T15:26:21Z")
USA vs Japan in the final. Japan surprisingly struggled against Mexico, but pulled it out in dramatic fashion in the 9th. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/10 "2023-03-21T18:35:45Z")
Merrill Kelly had a pretty good year in 2022, but I’d be a little more psyched about the whole thing if the USA starters were drawn from a pool including Jacob DeGrom, Max Fried, Justin Verlander, Gerritt Cole, Max Scherzer, Clayton Kershaw, Carlos Rodon, Shane McClanahan, Aaron Nola, Zack Wheeler and others I can’t think of at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/11 "2023-03-21T23:59:48Z")
Tie game on an absolutely annihilated homer by Murakami. Murakami hit 56 bombs last year. He’s only 23. Dude could win an MVP Award in any league. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/12 "2023-03-22T00:15:18Z")
Loup must get Kondoh here. Kondo isn’t a power guy, but he is a contact hitter of high quality. Loup popped him up. 2-1 Japan. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/13 "2023-03-22T00:21:57Z")
Shosei Togo… wait, this is his first inning, right? He’s another kid, like 23? Japan has a very young team. Togo is tall but man is that guy skinny. Throws hard as hell. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/14 "2023-03-22T01:09:06Z")
I must find out why Lars Nootbaar is paying for Japan. I get that his Mom is Japanese and he couldn’t otherwise play in the WBC, but why does Japan want him? It’s not like Japan is a country lacking in professional baseball players. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/15 "2023-03-22T03:00:47Z")
Japan wins it all. A lot of missed chances on team USA and men left on base. Goldschmidt was particularly bad. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/16 "2023-03-22T07:36:35Z")
Nice tournament, as the Mexican coach said, no matter what, global baseball has won. I do wonder if the Premier12 or Premier16 tournament will come back or if it’s permanently retired. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/17 "2023-03-22T07:49:10Z")
found this … > **[Ohtani fans Trout, Japan tops US 3-2 for WBC championship](https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ohtani-fans-trout-japan-tops-us-3-2-for-wbc-championship/ar-AA18V7j0?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=19c9031a28e84d2fa1e80ebdd02d5c0a&ei=23)** > > MIAMI (AP) — Shohei Ohtani and Mike Trout had dreamed of this moment, along with millions of fans throughout Japan and the United States: the two biggest stars on the planet, longtime teammates, facing each other at 60 feet, 6 inches, the world title... ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/18 "2023-03-22T13:03:02Z")
Looking at the list of teams that competed in the tournament surprised me. I was under the impression that baseball was only popular in the Americas plus Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. I wasn’t aware that countries in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia (other than those I mentioned above) had teams that could play at an international level. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/19 "2023-03-22T13:44:08Z")
The teams from Italy, Israel and Great Britain were largely assembled using players with roots in those countries rather than native-born talent. The team from the Netherlands was mostly composed of players who grew up in Aruba and Curacao in the baseball-crazy Caribbean. The game now has a toe-hold in South America, with Venezuela having a very strong squad made-up primarily of major-leaguers. Colombia is also growing the sport, and hopefully it will spread to the rest of the continent. The WBC has been great for baseball. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2023-world-baseball-classic-thread/980928/20 "2023-03-22T21:13:03Z")
Australia has been good at baseball for a long time, of course, they were there as well. They’ve contributed some pretty good ballplayers to MLB. I’m surprised South Africa wasn’t there. They only have had two major leaguers (one the magnificently named Gift Ngoepe) but they have a baseball infrastructure.