# 2024 French legislative election
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [June 10, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713 "2024-06-10T21:59:08Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/21 "2024-07-08T16:04:14Z")
That’s what I was afraid of–the goddamned _egos_ in politics getting in the way of making things better.
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### Author:  [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/22 "2024-07-08T19:10:16Z")
Can a fresh election be called sooner than 12 months if the government looses a confidence vote?
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/23 "2024-07-08T20:04:30Z")
No. Constitutionally, a new election cannot be held within a year. Just gotta gut it out.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/24 "2024-07-08T20:13:09Z")
One of the things to bear in mind is that both Ensemble and NFP are _themselves_ coalitions so it’s not like you have to deal between only the two topline leaders. So yeah, it’s going to be a gloriously French mess.
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### Author:  [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/25 "2024-07-08T22:10:21Z")
I took the Politico.eu article and made a table:
| | Seats | Seats (%) | Votes (%) |
| --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Popular Front | 188 | 32.6% | 26.3% |
| Ensemble | 161 | 27.9% | 24.7% |
| Republicans | 48 | 8.3% | 6.2% |
| National Rally | 142 | 24.6% | 37.1% |
| Other | 38 | 6.6% | 5.6% |
| | | | |
| Total | 577 | 100.0% | 99.9% |
To block the fascists, the Popular Front unified and made deals with Ensemble and small parties to drop out of races and not play spoiler. The Republican anti-fascist right made no such deals with National Rally, so the right of center vote was split. Or so I understand.
Note that NR and Les Republicans got only 42.7% of the vote combined and that Ensemble wants nothing to do with NR. Still, 37.1% is still worrying: the fight isn’t over.
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/26 "2024-07-08T22:28:19Z")
(The pedant in me wants to point out that National Rally should be abbreviated RN because in French the adjective follows the noun: their name is _Rassemblement National._ But I’ve been sloppy with it myself and it’s probably confusing to English-first readers, so I will acknowledge my pedant by posting this and then leave it alone.)
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### Author:  [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/27 "2024-07-08T22:41:50Z")
Why Macron did not wait until at least after Les Olympiques confuses me.
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [July 8, 2024, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/28 "2024-07-08T23:11:40Z")
Oh God, yes. Can you imagine the Parisians going into Full French Freakout Mode, barricades and all, during the Olympics? It’s going to be a fun summer.
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### Author:  [@FrenchDunadan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrenchDunadan)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/29 "2024-07-09T19:10:43Z")
Macron may have hoped that the short timeline for the elections will prevent the various left parties (LFI, PS, Greens, PC) to unite since they had bitter infighting during the European election. Then his party could appear on 1st or 2nd place with a RN candidate and call to win a “republican front” on 2nd turn.
Unfortunately for him, the leftists put aside their (many) differences and supported one candidate in each circumscription.
The end result is an assembly with no absolute majority. The only way is to form a coalition, but each party has deep and irreconcilable views on almost every subject. Blockade will be at every corner for the coming year.
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### Author:  [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/30 "2024-07-09T19:51:08Z")
I’m not sure that was that unfortunate. The alternative which seemed likely a week prior was not better.
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### Author:  [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)
#### Post date: [July 9, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/31 "2024-07-09T20:37:56Z")
> [@FrenchDunadan](#):
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> The only way is to form a coalition, but each party has deep and irreconcilable views on almost every subject. Blockade will be at every corner for the coming year.
I appreciate your perspective. From my ignorant view across the water and thousands of miles away, the only truly irreconcilable differences are between fascists, those who demand an immediate state takeover of the means of production, and everyone else. Combined, the Popular Front and Ensemble have 51% of the vote and 60.5% of the seats. Les Republicans have another 8.3% of the seats. That’s not including the 6.6% of “Other” parties (some left, some right). I understand that this is suppose to be (and probably will be) very hard, but it really shouldn’t be. Then again, lots of things have happened in the US which wouldn’t if adults ran the show. I’m not dissing the proud French nation.
Meanwhile, Ukraine fights on and the world cooks.
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### Author:  [@FrenchDunadan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrenchDunadan)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/32 "2024-07-10T16:48:47Z")
Well, the Left (NFP and allies) could use 180 + 12(leftists) + 5 (without etiquette) + 10 (regionalisms) = 207 maxi
Macronists could use 158 + 5 (without etiquette) + 2 (centrists) + 10 (regionalisms) = 175 maxi
Les Républicains could use 67 + 5 (without etiquette) +10 (regionalisms) = 82 maxi.
RN could use 143 + 10 (regionalisms) = 153 maxi.
I put the very maximum reachable with those that will accept an alliance.
None could reach the 289 needed to have a majority.
But any government will fall at the first vote, as each group (and many sub-groups) have different views on any subject and have a longstanding tradition of not negotiating anything…
Today, the chief of LR called to have a PM of his party…the least numerous… 🙄 ; PC, EELV and Ensemble each declared that the DOM-TOM deputies were on their side 🙄 and one RN deputies called for a resign of Macron and presidential elections 🙄
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### Author:  [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/33 "2024-07-10T19:35:28Z")
An Israeli Minister was apparently in favor of the National Rally winning, which just seems weird to me.
> **[France’s Macron slams Israeli minister’s backing of Marine Le Pen](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/7/10/frances-macron-slams-israeli-ministers-backing-of-marine-le-pen)**
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> Israel’s Diaspora Affairs Minister Amichai Chikli publicly supported Marine Le Pen before France’s recent election.
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### Author:  [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/34 "2024-07-10T20:23:38Z")
That is freaking bizarre.
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### Author:  [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2024, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/35 "2024-07-11T05:42:27Z")
These days, the extreme right has swapped old-school anti-semitism for anti-Muslim/Arab hysteria.
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### Author:  [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2024, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/36 "2024-07-11T07:40:12Z")
Chikli is very right wing - an Israel MAGAT - and is a big believer in the “international right” (as if international solidarity were not antithetical to the very concept of conservatism). In other words, he supports Le Pen for the same reason the Trumpists do.
He also believes that the European far-right currently hates Muslims more than it hates Jews, and therefore the enemy of his enemy is his friend.
The fact that he holds these beliefs is not surprising; the fact that he’s speaking them in public is another sign of the slow disintegration of the Netanyahu coalition, breakdown in government discipline, and utter absence of coherent Israeli foreign policy. But that’s a different thread.
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### Author:  [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)
#### Post date: [July 11, 2024, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/37 "2024-07-11T10:48:46Z")
> [@Alessan](#):
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> and therefore the enemy of his enemy is his friend
He needs to read [these](https://schlockmercenary.fandom.com/wiki/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Maximally_Effective_Mercenaries):
29. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more. No less.
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### Author:  [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)
#### Post date: [July 12, 2024, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/38 "2024-07-12T05:11:59Z")
Fascist love other fascists. How is this surprising?
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### Author:  [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)
#### Post date: [September 6, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/39 "2024-09-06T11:06:06Z")
> **[Macron names EU's Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier as France’s new prime...](https://apnews.com/article/macron-brexit-negotiator-barnier-france-prime-minister-33a8d9eee7a47c7c0c9c73f41e97b061)**
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> President Emmanuel Macron has named EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier as France’s new prime minister after more than 50 days of caretaker government.
Strange. I expected a leader from the left would appointed (as the left won the most seats)–not a conservative like Macron.
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### Author:  [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [September 6, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2024-french-legislative-election/1002713/40 "2024-09-06T14:46:51Z")
The other perspective is that most seats is still very much the minority and far from a mandate; the position will require someone with the skills of forging consenses and compromises out of disparate perspectives (even sometimes having to placate the Far Right to some degree). Someone of the left might be less willing to give to the degrees required to get deals made. Barnier’s Brexit experiences may be what is required to deal with the very divided circumstance?
I’ll be very interested to hear from those who know more here!
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