# 2025 NFL Draft Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [April 24, 2025, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430 "2025-04-24T01:52:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/241 "2025-04-27T20:39:25Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Dillon Gabriel from Oregon. Oregon, the team that was #1 in the rankings almost all of last year until getting knocked out by Ohio State in a revenge game. (They’d beaten OSU earlier in the season.) Gabriel wasn’t the reason that team was so good but he was part of it. > [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > For what it’s worth, these guys gave them an A- I like that they gave Seattle an A. Now we get to see how many end up being busts in a handful of months. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/242 "2025-04-27T20:57:51Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > That said, Dart is far from a sure thing and grading the Giants draft as an A seems like a reach. I didn’t hate their draft but I would probably grade it at like a B. That’s all I’m saying. Dart is a questionable prospect at that price. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/243 "2025-04-27T21:08:20Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > How could Deon possibly be a diva and a distraction over a fifth round pick? Fifth round picks don’t even always make their team. They have absolutely no leverage or importance. This ultimately why Sanders fell. Lots of noise out there about what happened, this starts to get at the truth of it. College football fans will remember well some of the press conferences that Deion gave over the last couple season after the wheels came off. Deion gets an undue amount of attention and deference from ESPN and Fox so he will always have that megaphone. And he does not take accountability nor does it seem does Shadeur. Deion threw his players under the bus every chance he got, specifically trashing his own OL. Do you think Deion will hesitate to trash the Browns front office, coaches, players and fans the second something doesn’t go well? If Shadeur is on the bench and they lose a game, Deion will call out the coaches for not playing him. If he plays and loses, he’ll call out the receivers and blockers for not helping him enough. If the GM doesn’t draft the right players in the next draft, Deion will be talking shit about the scouts and GM. That’s why no one wanted to touch him with a 10 foot pole. You’re basically signing up to get shit on every week from all the Deion aligned press. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/244 "2025-04-27T21:17:00Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > That’s why no one wanted to touch him with a 10 foot pole. You’re basically signing up to get shit on every week from all the Deion aligned press. It’s like drafting a rookie whose godfather/mentor is Aaron Rodgers. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/245 "2025-04-27T22:13:57Z")
So it’s come out that the kids who pranked Shadeur Sanders, by calling him and pretending to be the Saints’ owner, track back to the defensive coordinator with the Falcons. His son saw the phone number on his dad’s IPad, wrote it down, and instigated the ruse. The coach was unaware, and the kid has apparently apologized directly to Sanders. > **[Falcons, coach Jeff Ulbrich's son apologize to Shedeur Sanders for NFL draft...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2025/04/27/shedeur-sanders-prank-call-apology-falcons-jeff-ulbrich-son/83315947007/)** > > Shedeur Sanders has received apologies for the prank phone call he received Friday night while he waited to hear his name called during the NFL draft. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2025, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/246 "2025-04-27T23:04:47Z")
That it was the son of an NFL defensive coordinator makes it a little bit more of a dick move, in my opinion. I know the dad wasn’t involved, but it just makes it slightly more dickish in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/247 "2025-04-28T09:21:14Z")
Dick move is right. I bet (hope) the coach/dad feels doubly bad, both for leaving the number visible on his phone, and for raising a son who’d do that. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/248 "2025-04-28T12:18:48Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > That’s why no one wanted to touch him with a 10 foot pole. You’re basically signing up to get shit on every week from all the Deion aligned press. Totally agree! In fact, I would call Shadeur and his dad the NFL version of the NBA’s Lonzo Ball and his dad. That was a freaking circus. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/249 "2025-04-28T12:36:22Z")
When one of the first things you do in the draft process is invoke “pulling an Eli” to the media, half the league crossed your name off their board that very second. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/250 "2025-04-28T12:39:55Z")
Imagine for a moment that your entire draft and team strategy is to generate as much craziness as possible around the QB position. Could you do any better than Joe Flacco, Deshaun Watson, Kenny Pickett, Shedeur Sanders, and then as a bonus Dillon Gabriel? I think not. I hope they pull a 2000 Patriots and keep 4 QBs on the roster, and that Dillon Gabriel becomes the next Tom Brady. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/251 "2025-04-28T12:56:33Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I really like that the Browns did in the draft. I imagine Shadeur either gets humbled and works harder or is out on the league soon. He’ll have to deal with the distraction of Cleveland night life. Much different from the calm, peaceful atmosphere of NYC, [or even Dallas](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-14654155/Shedeur-Sanders-Dallas-Kodak-Black-Browns-NFL-Draft.html). ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/252 "2025-04-28T13:24:01Z")
Ole’ Jerra must have been on horse tranquilizers to stay away from Sanders. I remember the Manziel draft - Jerry was apoplectic that the team was drafting offensive linemen instead of Johnny. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/253 "2025-04-28T14:42:00Z")
I’m reasonably pleased with the Patriots draft, although they had to do a couple of very “Patriots” things at the end by drafting a kicker and a long-snapper (!) in the 6th and 7th. Really, guys? I could maybe forgive the kicker, but kicker AND long-snapper?? Gimme a break. As if that guy wouldn’t have been available as an undrafted free agent. This team has a LOT of needs, and should not have been wasting draft picks like that. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/254 "2025-04-28T14:56:06Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > Imagine for a moment that your entire draft and team strategy is to generate as much craziness as possible around the QB position. I’d say that’s far-fetched, but we **are** talking about the Browns. > [@ShadowFacts](#): > > As if that guy wouldn’t have been available as an undrafted free agent. That’s the one thing I think the Seahawks made a mistake on; they drafted a fullback. I don’t think _getting_ a fullback is the worst thing in the world, especially given how much their run game struggled last year it’s probably a good idea. But you don’t need to draft him. That guy would still be available after the draft. Nobody else wants a fullback in this league. Technically, on paper he’s a tight end, but he’s not going to be used that way. He doesn’t have the ability to play as an actual tight end. At least it was a really late round draft pick, same with New England. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/255 "2025-04-28T15:05:42Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Nobody else wants a fullback in this league. Except the Patriots, who picked one up as an UDFA 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/256 "2025-04-28T15:07:01Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > Except the Patriots, who picked one up as an UDFA SEE?! That’s how you do it. Hopefully that makes you feel better. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/257 "2025-04-28T18:58:10Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > > [@EllisDee](#): > > > > That said, Dart is far from a sure thing and grading the Giants draft as an A seems like a reach. I didn’t hate their draft but I would probably grade it at like a B. > > That’s all I’m saying. Dart is a questionable prospect at that price. All prospects are questionable. Consensus first picks can be busts and 6th rounders go to the Hall of Fame. Let’s not kid ourselves that anything is set in stone. They gave up a 3rd round pick this year to get the QB they wanted. That’s a good deal. Saying he should have been a 2nd rounder is meaningless. No one has a crystal ball. They went and got the guy they wanted and also got Carter. If Dart was their first pick in the draft I wouldn’t be happy. But Dart as their second pick is a good move. I also don’t think criticizing the track record of the Giants is valid. This is the first QB pick that this coach/GM have had a chance to pick. They inherited Jones. We get to see if they are any good at evaluating talent. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/258 "2025-04-28T19:11:22Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I feel the Giants needed much more help on the offensive line than they got out of this draft. It’s been a train wreck for over a decade, and I feel like I’m in bizarro world when none of these draft grades mention that at all. They were able to get Mbow very late in the draft. He has very high grades but some concern over his medical history. He was the 6th highest graded OL in the draft by some accounts I saw. He might turn out to be a big help and they got him at 154. I was surprised they took a DL at 65 instead of an OL but Alexander is particularly good at stopping the run. They have players who can go after the QB but they haven’t been good against the run. How many games did they get crushed on time of possession because the other team could run the clock? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/259 "2025-04-28T19:19:15Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > All prospects are questionable. Consensus first picks can be busts and 6th rounders go to the Hall of Fame. Let’s not kid ourselves that anything is set in stone. Let us not forget that Ryan Leaf was a sure thing, and many at the time were criticizing Indianapolis for picking Peyton Manning with the first pick instead of Leaf. People at Washington State University and Leaf’s agents were very careful to hide his off-the-field issues from scouts and the press. There is no way to know what you are _really_ getting. And even if everyone has all of the qualities you want (both on the field and off of it), things happen. People get injured, undiagnosed issues come up, life happens. Every pick is a gamble. I remember when Seattle fans were so excited to draft Malik McDowell in 2017 in the second round. They needed help beefing up their pass rush and this guy was considered to be the top defensive tackle, and was expected to go in the first round, so this was a real home run for them. A few weeks before training camp started, he was screwing around with an ATV and got in a terrible accident. He was eventually able to make it to practice but it was clear that he couldn’t play, and he was put on the IR list. Months later, he was arrested for a DUI, and then arrested in December for disorderly conduct. He ended up never playing a single snap in the NFL. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2025, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430/260 "2025-04-28T19:56:46Z")
I’m curious about the material that was sent to Sanders and presumably other QBs before their pre-draft inteviews. One of the supposed reasons Sanders dropped so far was because he didn’t so the “homework” some teams assigned. Regarding the binder that the Giants sent to Sanders before his interview, NFL Draft analyst Todd McShay said: > “An install package came in, preparation wasn’t there for it. Got called out on it, didn’t like that. Brian [Daboll] didn’t appreciate him not liking it.” Is this something only QBs do, or are there binders for other positions? For a QB with some doubt of when he’ll be picked, how many teams are sending him a binder? What’s involved with it – is it a couple formations that the coaches will discuss in more depth with the prospect, or is the player expected to learn a bunch of stuff in advance? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nfl-draft-thread/1017430.md?page=14)