# 2025 Nominees for the Rock & Roll HoF **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** talk-variety-show, music\ **Created:** [February 12, 2025, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241 "2025-02-12T17:28:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/21 "2025-02-13T00:13:46Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > People go on about Joy Division, but New Order are, if anything, more influential and a more successful band. It’s funny–here in the US, I know a lot of casual listeners who know New Order songs but have no idea who Joy Division is. My cousin is a prime example. We were both born in '75, and we grew up with New Order songs. I didn’t discover Joy Division until well into the 90s. I was just talking to him a few weeks ago, and Joy Division was one of those bands he had heard of, but did not know their relation to New Order at all. I don’t ever remember hearing Joy Division on the radio stations I listened to in my formative years, but I certrainly remember plenty of New Order hits. Of course, this is unthinkable to anyone who followed “college” music at the time, but in the mainstream it was easy to miss. (Of the two, I am far more fond of Joy Division.) ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/22 "2025-02-13T00:23:18Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > I have been following these nominations and inductions for 30 years and I still have no idea what the criteria is. Devo doesn’t even make the nominees list anymore and they are more influential than any artist in the OP. I’m not opposed to putting Devo in, but they need to get in line behind the B-52s. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/23 "2025-02-13T00:31:56Z")
Devo are a novelty one-hit wonder here. Marginally better-known than, say, Rush, but not by much. Whereas the B-52s are very well loved. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/24 "2025-02-13T00:39:24Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > He’s out of the loop now, as much as he deserves excoriation for his prior influence in ignoring deserving acts. Indeed. It was widely believed, for a long time, that because Wenner was believed to dislike progressive rock, that kept most prog brands out of the Hall. But, in recent years, that’s changed: Yes, The Moody Blues, Rush, and Genesis have been inducted, as well as the prog-adjacent ELO. > [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Still no ELP or Jethro Tull. Still no Guess Who or King Crimson. I’d certainly argue that ELP and King Crimson, at least, should be considered. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/25 "2025-02-13T00:41:32Z")
Bad Company - Successful genre band, not particularly impactful or influential. No. The Black Crowes - Successful genre band, not particularly impactful or influential. No. Mariah Carey - Massively successful, not particularly impactful or influential. No. Chubby Checker - Protested outside the Rock & Roll HoF in 2002 for being snubbed, so at least he has hubris going for him. Massively successful, but primarily a cover artist/interpreter. No. About the only interpreter I’d be sorta inclined to induct would be the already inducted Linda Ronstadt, just on impact and influence. Joe Cocker - Sorry Joe. I personally like Cocker more than Chubby Checker, but see above. Billy Idol - One of the most successful, but IMHO least interesting and most generic of the early punk scene. Which come to think of it may account for his popularity. No. Joy Division/New Order - Very impactful, leaning yes. Cyndi Lauper - Massively successful, some real impact for her time and place. But ultimately not enduring or important enough IMHO. No. Maná - N/A. I don’t know enough to offer an opinion. Oasis - Massively successful. More impactful, I guess. A little or a lot derivative depending on who you talk to. I’m a little bit on the fence on this one. Kinda leaning no. Outkast - Massively successful, somewhat impactful IMHO. Sorta leaning yes. Phish - King of the never-ending jam bands! Fine musicians, too niche. No. The White Stripes - Massively successful and two-person set-up is kinda unique for that level of success. I’m a fan, but I struggle justifying them as yet another garage-style blues band. Reluctantly, no. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/26 "2025-02-13T00:47:37Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Still no ELP or Jethro Tull. Still no Guess Who or King Crimson. Still the “Rock and Roll (Except for Bands and Genres Jann Wenner Doesn’t Like) Hall of Fame”. > > Still an absolute joke. Yep. But Phish is nominated. What the hell have they ever done? Jethro Tull should have been in decades ago. Guess Who and King Crimson should also be in. What a frick’n joke. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/27 "2025-02-13T00:50:43Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > But Phish is nominated. What the hell have they ever done? Basically, about 40 years of being a “[jam band](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jam_band),” and touring pretty much continually; after the death of Jerry Garcia, they kind of inherited the Dead’s crown as the pre-eminient jam band. If you aren’t into that scene, then, no, they haven’t done much of which you’d be aware. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/28 "2025-02-13T00:50:48Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > What the hell have they ever done? Had an [ice cream flavor](https://www.benjerry.com/flavors/phish-food-ice-cream) named after them 😉? But yeah, IMO that’s honors enough for Phish. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/29 "2025-02-13T00:55:48Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > Mariah Carey - Massively successful, not particularly impactful or influential I’d say she’s been _hugely_ [influential](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Mariah_Carey) on subsequent female pop singers like Ariana Grande etc. Look at the list of singers citing her as an influence. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/30 "2025-02-13T00:57:21Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Why? That is the one that particularly baffles me. I don’t know for sure. Just personal fondness, I guess. When I started discovering rock music, I started back in the late 50s and early 60s, and he always stood out to me as one of the icons of very early rock music. I’ve just always thought of him as being one of the first acts you think of when you think about the nascent years of rock and roll. If you want to have fun, check out “Chequered!” by him, a later album (1971), with all his original songs. I wouldn’t call it great, but it’s really fun knowing the guy who did “The Twist” did this one, especially including a song titled “Stoned in the Bathroom.” ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/31 "2025-02-13T01:00:06Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’d say she’s been _hugely_ [influential](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Mariah_Carey) on subsequent female pop singers like Ariana Grande etc. Look at the list of singers citing her as an influence. That’s fair and almost certainly old man/genre bias for you. I just don’t listen to more modern female pop vocals much at all. Without getting into the tired (and really defunct at this point) argument about whether the R&R HoF should be the general “popular music” HoF, I’ll just disqualify myself on that one 😀. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/32 "2025-02-13T01:32:57Z")
[Moderating] I merged in @aceplace57 's duplicate thread. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/33 "2025-02-13T01:50:20Z")
Lauper’s second album, “True Colors”, was also a big hit. The title track went to number one. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/34 "2025-02-13T02:09:26Z")
I would put Jethro Tull and ELP way over Joe Cocker, though he (or maybe Leon Russell) assembled one of the great touring bands. (And what about Leon Russell? He was the first one inducted for the Award for Musical Excellence, the replacement for Sidemen. They should do the same for Nicky Hopkins, another piano player, who contributed the riffs that permeate 60s music, was a key member of several groups, and wrote some great instrumentals for Quicksilver.) Anyway, a big yes to B-52s. I wasn’t the audience for their early music, but their albums keep getting better and better until their hit greatness. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/35 "2025-02-13T03:02:33Z")
Jethro Tull sucked, and weren’t especially popular or influential. They have no place in this discussion, nor do King Crimson. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/36 "2025-02-13T03:06:37Z")
Well, they were arguably a two hit wonder (Whip It and Satisfaction), but those were both completely awesome songs. And they represent an important movement in rock history. But yeah, there’s no argument IMO that can made for them that can’t be made in stronger form for the B-52s. My personal “The Hall is a sham of a mockery of a travesty because this band isn’t in” pick is Motorhead. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/37 "2025-02-13T04:42:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > [Moderating] > I merged in @aceplace57 's duplicate thread Thank you. I’m not familar with several of the nominated bands. Oasis could have been very significant if they hadn’t broken up. Did they do enough for the HOF? Maybe. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/38 "2025-02-13T05:05:47Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Jethro Tull sucked, and weren’t especially popular or influential The first part is your opinion, but the second part is just wrong. When your prog rock band is being cited by Eddie Vedder and Nick Cave, you’re for damn sure influential. When you have 11 gold and 5 platinum albums, it’s hard to argue you’ve never been popular. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Well, they were arguably a two hit wonder (Whip It and Satisfaction), Not here. Just _Whip It_, and mostly from its use in media. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > they represent an important movement in rock history Sure, maybe, but there are plenty of other representative New Wave bands from around the same time. Talking Heads is already in, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/39 "2025-02-13T05:14:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Oasis could have been very significant if they hadn’t broken up. Did they do enough for the HOF? Maybe. They were/are _hugely_ popular and influential, maybe moreso in the UK than in the US, and they were one of the biggest bands of the '90s. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/40 "2025-02-13T05:17:15Z")
The fact that most people now only know Devo for “Whip It” confirms their thesis that humankind is indeed de-evolving. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241.md?page=3)