# 2025 Nominees for the Rock & Roll HoF **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** talk-variety-show, music\ **Created:** [February 12, 2025, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241 "2025-02-12T17:28:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/41 "2025-02-13T06:05:03Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The first part is your opinion, but the second part is just wrong. When your prog rock band is being cited by Eddie Vedder and Nick Cave, you’re for damn sure influential. When you have 11 gold and 5 platinum albums, it’s hard to argue you’ve never been popular. And don’t forget that Grammy Award! (ducks) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/42 "2025-02-13T07:37:43Z")
I’m not really into any other acts of that period of American Punk/New Wave, except Television and the Cramps, so I couldn’t say. Is the rest of their stuff wholly unlike _Whip It_? Because it’s firmly in that style I don’t like, so I’ve never bothered to look at the rest. ---
**Author:** ![Moonrise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonrise/32/14764_2.png) [@Moonrise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonrise)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/43 "2025-02-13T09:16:00Z")
**Billy Idol** **Joy Division/New Order** **Cyndi Lauper** These three should have been in for a while. I would have been hesitant about Billy Idol if I had not listened to some of his 80s output again recently, and realized it was pretty solid. I love _Rebel Yell_, and _Eyes without a Face_ is a fine, delicate song. _White Wedding_, _Flesh for Fantasy_, _Hot in the City_, and _Dancing with Myself_ are goofy fun. I have no strong feelings about the others, apart from Oasis. Keep them out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/44 "2025-02-13T14:29:58Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > the rest of their stuff wholly unlike _Whip It_? Because it’s firmly in that style I don’t like, so I’ve never bothered to look at the rest. It’s like judging the Beatles based on “Yellow Submarine”. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/45 "2025-02-13T14:47:30Z")
Oasis? If I want to listen to a song from some brothers who don’t get along I’ll listen to the Ramones. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/46 "2025-02-13T15:09:57Z")
Sibling rivalry wrecked Osasis. They could have easily written and produced two or three more great albums. Noel is a very good song writer. The two Pauls (Arthurs and McGuigan) were very good to. I like Bonehead’s rhythm guitar parts. Now I need to find my cd’s and listen again. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/47 "2025-02-13T15:22:07Z")
OK, based on this, I watched a couple more of their songs (_Uncontrollable Urge_ and _Girl U Want_ were the first two the algorithms offered) They were a) the same _kind_ of sound as _Whip It_, that I don’t like (what I’d call a vaguely CGBGs-Talking Heady sound), b) therefore just as _unpalatable_ to me as _Whip It_, and c) seemed just as silly as it, and not in a way I like (B-52s were gimmicky in a good way, for instance) So it seems I didn’t miss anything, only being exposed to _Whip It_ before. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/48 "2025-02-13T15:25:15Z")
The first three acts I’d induct are Supertramp (insane to me they’re not in) Outkast, and Weird Al Yankovic. Only one of them is nominated. Of the nominees, Outkast and The White Stripes are fairly easy choices. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/49 "2025-02-13T15:29:13Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > So it seems I didn’t miss anything, only being exposed to _Whip It_ before. Thanks for making the effort. They are not an easy band to get into and the social commentary requires a lot of careful digging. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/50 "2025-02-13T15:33:00Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Oasis? > > If I want to listen to a song from some brothers who don’t get along I’ll listen to the Ramones. At the risk of a whoosh, none of the members of the latter were related at all. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/51 "2025-02-13T15:35:02Z")
I tend to prefer the Punk-New Wave social commentary from the other side of the pond - your Jams and Elvis Costellos and the like. It tends to be more biting, less clever-clogs-art-student, to me. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/52 "2025-02-13T15:59:45Z")
> [@Moonrise](#): > > I would have been hesitant about Billy Idol if I had not listened to some of his 80s output again recently, and realized it was pretty solid. I love _Rebel Yell_, and _Eyes without a Face_ is a fine, delicate song. _White Wedding_, _Flesh for Fantasy_, _Hot in the City_, and _Dancing with Myself_ are goofy fun. Speaking of Billy Idol and goofy fun, the [promo video](https://youtu.be/9mmD75yiQj4?feature=shared) for his new tour is pretty funny. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/53 "2025-02-13T16:05:44Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I tend to prefer the Punk-New Wave social commentary from the other side of the pond - your Jams and Elvis Costellos and the like. It tends to be more biting, less clever-clogs-art-student, to me. Interesting, as I am on the same side of the pond, albeit from the northern hemisphere. I’m a massive fan of Talking Heads. I even splurged to get the re-mastered Stop Making Sense movie, which for some reason doesn’t seem to be available around here. With shipping, sales tax and all that it was close to US$1301. I bought it directly from A24. I always thought that DEVO, B-52’s (I bought the single Rock Lobster on release) and to some extent Tubes (though calling them new wave is a stretch) were more subversive than their UK counterparts. Under the glitter there was an undercurrent lacking from Jam, Buzzcocks and the rest. Subtlety was not part of the UK bands. * * * As for Sir William Idol. The character played by Bill Nighy in Love, Actually, the washed up rocker who makes a horrible cover of a Christmas standard and looks as if he doesn’t really know WTF he’s doing. I keep thinking about that when I see this [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/KsthP5AONzc/hqdefault.jpg "Billy Idol - Jingle Bell Rock") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsthP5AONzc) 1Only to realize I had to get a new BR-player to hook up to the computer. So more money… ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/54 "2025-02-13T16:44:35Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > At the risk of a whoosh, none of the members of the latter were related at all. Yeah, it was a joke. 😉 [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/5ngg5-uwQYI/hqdefault.jpg "The Simpsons: That's The Joke") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ngg5-uwQYI) ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/55 "2025-02-13T16:47:04Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/xVDPi6zKW5s/maxresdefault.jpg "Have the Rolling Stones killed") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDPi6zKW5s) ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/56 "2025-02-13T16:50:22Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The first part is your opinion, but the second part is just wrong. When your prog rock band is being cited by Eddie Vedder and Nick Cave, you’re for damn sure influential. When you have 11 gold and 5 platinum albums, it’s hard to argue you’ve never been popular. Those aren’t hugely impressive numbers in this context. The band’s website claims they’ve sold 60 million albums; even taking them at their word, that wouldn’t put them close to the top 100 acts. And there are 50 acts who have _more than twice_ that number of platinum records. BTW, looking this up I noticed Mariah Carey has 14 platinum records and is 12th all time in record sales, which seems to put her squarely in the “too popular to keep out regardless of what the critics thought” zone. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/57 "2025-02-13T16:52:41Z")
If anyone’s interested, [this website](https://bestclassicbands.com/rock-hall-omissions-12-13-1777/) has a list of **200** candidates they think have been unjustly overlooked…Mott the Hoople, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/58 "2025-02-13T16:55:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > the Cramps, Now there’s a band that needs to be in the Hall. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/59 "2025-02-13T17:48:05Z")
They (ahem) failed to include [The Greatest of Them All](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Residents), the ultimate benchmark by which all other bands are measured. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241/60 "2025-02-13T18:04:59Z")
That is a pretty glaring omission in a list of that length, yeah. Clearly a much stronger case than, say, Moby Grape. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2025-nominees-for-the-rock-roll-hof/1014241.md?page=4)