# 21 Dead at Elementary School W of San Antonio, TX {May 24, 2022} **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028 "2022-05-24T20:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/61 "2022-05-25T02:13:01Z")
Brave men that saved lives by putting the shooter down. > [@](#): > > “Risking their own lives, these Border Patrol Agents and other officers put themselves between the shooter and children on the scene to draw the shooter’s attention away from potential victims and save lives,” spokesperson Marsha Espinosa [said in a tweet.](https://twitter.com/MCatronDHS) > “At least one Border Patrol Agent was wounded by the shooter during the exchange of gunfire,” she said. “On-and-off duty Border Patrol Agents arrived on the scene to assist with transferring students safely to their families and providing medical support.” ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/62 "2022-05-25T02:24:05Z")
The killer’s grandmother wasn’t dead at last report. I’m wondering if his grandmother was raising him because of parental problems. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/63 "2022-05-25T02:38:39Z")
I also heard on either CNN or MSNBC (I was toggling between them) that a number of people were taken to the Uvalde hospital, which is critical access (25 beds and providing only basic services); most of these people were treated and released, or admitted for overnight observation, while more severely injured people were transferred to San Antonio, which does have pediatric intensive care services. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/64 "2022-05-25T03:02:48Z")
Kurt Russell played Whitman in the 1975 movie _The Deadly Tower_. For whatever reason I remember watching that movie on TV. Don’t know how much was fictionalized. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/65 "2022-05-25T03:12:32Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > I was under the impression that most public grade schools are restricted or semi-restricted access these days, precisely to prevent this sort of thing. Is that not correct? > [@suranyi](#): > > I don’t know about most. Some are and some aren’t. In my own neighborhood, I know of one elementary school entirely contained in a fence, and another a few blocks away that is wide open. All public schools that I know of in California are surrounded by chain link fence (no razor wire on the top), but with open and unguarded gates here and there. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/66 "2022-05-25T03:44:05Z")
The only school I’ve ever seen that was on what amounted to permanent lockdown was a K-3 school in a quiet middle-class neighborhood in my old town in rural Illinois. It was the school attended by children that age who lived at the domestic violence shelter, and the guard, who I’m pretty sure was armed, was a contracted employee of that shelter. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/67 "2022-05-25T03:54:12Z")
No, the open elementary school I alluded to is in Fremont, California. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/68 "2022-05-25T03:56:26Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > No, the open elementary school I alluded to is in Fremont, California.   Is it a public school or a private school? Where? (I’m superficially familiar with the Fremont area.) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/69 "2022-05-25T04:12:05Z")
Moderating: > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > When are they going to well- regulate the fucking militia? Maybe you were typing this as the thread got moderated, but this kind of post does not belong here. Feel free to join this one, instead, [Uvalde, Texas school shooting - the political thread - Politics & Elections - Straight Dope Message Board](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-the-political-thread/965036) ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/70 "2022-05-25T04:17:38Z")
I would like to think Robb Elem has a secure main entrance with all exterior doors in lock mode. Yet the gunman was able to “run in to the school”. None of the area schools here are surrounded by fence, with just the playground area of a some elementary schools fenced in. The school district I’m familiar with is pretty strict policy regarding visitor access to buildings and having drills but in reality there’s numerous opportunities for anybody to gain access. Exterior Doors left ajar for personnel to come and go, allowing students access before school opens to get in out of the cold or use the bathrooms. then we find those students wandering the halls or playing around, in and out of open classrooms. It’s ridiculous! And you may have a district that can’t get any funding for upgrades passed by voters and their bonds and mileage renewals keep failing. Here’s Gov Abbits school safety plan from 2018, seems heavy on Law enforcement. [https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/School\_Safety\_Action\_Plan\_Summary.docx](https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/School_Safety_Action_Plan_Summary.docx) ---
**Author:** ![VOW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vow/32/3043_2.png) [@VOW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VOW)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/71 "2022-05-25T04:41:49Z")
School districts around the nation were having great difficulty trying to enact CDC-compliant COVID restrictions. Overcrowded classrooms were unable to provide the “social distancing,” some districts entertained the idea of holding all classes outside, and teachers were COVID police instead of instructors. Old buildings had poor ventilation. Where in the Hell will the money come from to provide a completely secure perimeter and trained security to screen everyone who wants to enter the school grounds? ~VOW ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/72 "2022-05-25T05:30:30Z")
As I’m sure we all know, information seems to be relatively skimpy relative to the amount of it, and I think I now know why. As I write this (12:28AM Central time), Uvalde and environs are under a severe thunderstorm warning, and I’m sure authorities wanted to collect as much evidence, especially outdoor evidence, as possible before it was potentially damaged or washed away by storms they knew were probably coming. I also just heard that the end of the year awards ceremony for the school was this morning. Perhaps he had a sibling or other relative who went there, and thought he’d have (this sounds really awful, but…) extra victims, because he knew parents would be there? ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/73 "2022-05-25T07:28:20Z")
I can’t find exact details on how secure Sandy Hook Elementary was, but I do know that Adam Lanza shot his way through a glass locked security door, so I assume that there was no other unlocked entry. > **[Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > > The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting occurred on December 14, 2012, in Newtown, Connecticut, United States, when 20-year-old Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people. Twenty of the victims were children between six and seven years old, and the other six were adult staff members. Earlier that day, before driving to the school, Lanza had shot and killed his mother at their Newtown home. As first responders arrived at the school, Lanza died by s... ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/74 "2022-05-25T07:37:16Z")
At this point many Australians I know are at the point of thinking about these things as “just part of US culture, shrug”. This one caught my eye because there have been a few more than average over the past couple of weeks (or it seems that way) but otherwise I pretty much skim past the mass-shooting-in- the-US stories these days. Which is sad. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/75 "2022-05-25T07:59:42Z")
I used to say, “That is just an aberration-We really aren’t like that”. But then I quit lying to myself, and just feel shame. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/76 "2022-05-25T11:47:15Z")
@Czarcasm just above … This. So very much this. We have become a sick society creating many sick members in pursuit of many sick goals. It’s a different kind of sick than, say, Russian society, but no less sick for that. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/77 "2022-05-25T11:55:05Z")
It’s obvious that the Republican Right considers the mass murder of children as “acceptable loses” in their campaign to flood this nation with powerful guns that are completely unregulated and untraceable. Despite the fact that I can list dozens of peaceful democracies that are much older than this nation that have maintained their freedom without a society flooded with guns, the Republican Right has brainwashed their constituency into believing that any sensible regulation of guns is really a secret attempt to take away their freedom. I guess all the regulations and tracking we have of automobiles is a secret plot designed to take away their freedom to drive. Strange that it hasn’t happened yet, is it not? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/78 "2022-05-25T13:26:48Z")
this morning they showed a picture of a child who had gotten an award. the last picture his mother has of him. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/79 "2022-05-25T13:52:34Z")
**Moderator Note** > [@Jasmine](#): > > It’s obvious that the Republican Right considers the mass murder of children as “acceptable loses” in their campaign to flood this nation with powerful guns that are completely unregulated and untraceable… Keep politics out of breaking news threads. Please pay attention to the forum rules (specifically the sticky about breaking news threads) and also to moderator instructions already given in this thread. As you have already been instructed, the proper place for political discussions regarding this topic is this thread: > [@Uvalde, Texas school shooting - the political thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-the-political-thread/965036): > > This is the thread where I can ask the question, “How long will it take for Marjorie Taylor Greene to claim that this school shooting is fake news”? [Fifteen people dead in latest school shooting](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting/index.html) Please post appropriately. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/80 "2022-05-25T13:59:23Z")
This morning I read (or heard on _Morning Joe_) that: The two teachers killed were using their bodies to protect their students. All of those killed were in one classroom. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028.md?page=5)