# 21 Dead at Elementary School W of San Antonio, TX {May 24, 2022} **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028 "2022-05-24T20:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/101 "2022-05-26T12:41:19Z")
This post in another thread backs that claim up a bit: > [@Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2614): > > When the active shooter incident at Robb Elementary began yesterday, the police let the shooter barricade himself in a classroom with children and adults inside, then started evacuating their own children and left him in there for an hour, without making any attempt to break down the door, until they found a teacher with a key, during which time they threatened to Tase parents who wanted to rush the school themselves. ALL of the dead were in that classroom. Perhaps someone should have re… ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/102 "2022-05-26T12:42:10Z")
AP reporting as well: > **[Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school](https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683)** > > UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman's rampage killed 19 children and two teachers , witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that... There’s also a video that was posted to reddit today (that I won’t link to but you should be able to find) of officers holding back parents from trying to enter the school to help. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/103 "2022-05-26T13:32:41Z")
If true, those officers are going to find life in Uvalde very difficult indeed in future. It’s not that big a city… ---
**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/104 "2022-05-26T14:00:17Z")
It looks worse with every new piece of information that comes out. The cops waited outside for backup for 40 minutes. They “contained” the shooter in a classroom full of children. They somehow couldn’t manage to open a locked door. Some cops went into the school to get their own children out, but prevented other parents from going into the school. ---
**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/105 "2022-05-26T14:01:35Z")
And the police get 40% of Uvalde’s budget. What the f\*\*\* are they spending it on? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/106 "2022-05-26T14:15:32Z")
> [@MagicEyes](#): > > What the f\*\*\* are they spending it on? Churros ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/107 "2022-05-26T14:22:53Z")
Beau has something to say… [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/DKjSLAUFWSo/maxresdefault.jpg "Let's talk about cops waiting outside, Rule 303, and the way....") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKjSLAUFWSo) ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/108 "2022-05-26T15:17:33Z")
I happen to be seeing the Today show this morning where grieving parents were painfully interviewed. One of them is wearing a hat with a TX logo that has a AR-15 silhouetted…skip to about 3:06 in the leading video… > **[‘It was a nightmare’: Families of Texas school shooting victims recount...](https://www.today.com/news/news/families-of-texas-school-shooting-victims-recount-tragic-day-rcna30614)** > > Two families talk to TODAY about the tragedy that killed at least 21 people and share how they want the world to remember their daughters. I do not know what to say or even think at this point. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/109 "2022-05-26T16:24:45Z")
> [@VOW](#): > > Abbott was interrupted by a very loud, persistent, and vulgar Beto O’Rourke. Beto O’Rourke wasn’t vulgar. Colleagues of Abbot’s on stage with him were: … Uvalde Mayor Don McLaughlin, standing behind Abbott, shouted at O’Rourke, “I can’t believe you’re a sick son of a b---- that would come to a deal like this to make a political issue.” When O’Rourke yelled toward the stage, “It’s on you,” McLaughlin replied: “It’s on assholes like you. Why don’t you get out of here.”…[Politico] ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/110 "2022-05-26T19:18:32Z")
Moderating: > [@Crane](#): > > Churros This carries some serious racist overtones. Knock it off. Not a warning. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/111 "2022-05-26T19:51:36Z")
We have a 22nd victim. Teacher Irma Garcia’s husband has died from a heart attack, and people who knew them say it was from grief. Four children now have no parents at all. > **[Husband of teacher killed at Texas elementary school shooting dies](https://abcnews.go.com/US/widower-teacher-slain-texas-elementary-school-dies-heart/story?id=85000519)** > > The widower of a Texas elementary school teacher killed in a shooting has died of a heart attack days just days after his wife was killed. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/112 "2022-05-26T20:34:38Z")
On a positive note … the dogs are coming – therapy dogs: > **[Comfort dogs have been deployed to Uvalde, Texas, from near and far](https://www.npr.org/2022/05/26/1101501384/uvalde-texas-shooting-comfort-dogs)** > > At least five organizations in and beyond the state have sent dogs to Uvalde, where they are visiting hospitals, churches and schools. Many have responded to other mass shootings across the country. > When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.” ― Fred Rogers (a/k/a Mr. Rogers) I understand there’s some [**controversy**](https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/10/look-for-the-helpers-mr-rogers-is-bad-for-adults/574210/) surrounding this quote, but … ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/113 "2022-05-26T22:03:15Z")
So the killer can lock a classroom door and flummox police but the school can’t lock the access doors for basic security? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/114 "2022-05-26T22:51:49Z")
One son is in marine boot camp, one son in university, one daughter going into sophomore year in high school, one daughter in seventh grade. They must be… I can’t imagine the shock they are in. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/115 "2022-05-26T23:08:09Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Beau has something to say… According to David Grossman, retired LTC relaying what a veteran of Vietnam told him, there are three kinds of people in the world, [sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs](http://mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html). > Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones. It looks like we’ll have to consider a fourth, a sheep in sheepdogs’ – or wolves’ – clothing. Is the Uvalde police force a part of the community or outsiders like the cops in Furguson were? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/116 "2022-05-26T23:08:33Z")
Yes, he said it after 9/11 because it was how he felt he could comfort children who wouldn’t understand something that adults can’t themselves comprehend. On a related note, this delightful documentary did mention how they addressed 9/11, and the universal editorial decision was not to. > **[44 Pages (2017) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6159734/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)** > > 44 Pages: Directed by Tony Shaff. With Kevin Bayne, Andy Boyles, Patty Courtright, Christine French Cully. A cinematic portrait and history of the long-running American children's magazine, Highlights Magazine. Binky Patrol, an organization I’ve been involved with for many years, has a shipment of blankets headed to Uvalde. Of course, they checked with people who lived there first to make sure the place wouldn’t be inundated with things like this that they couldn’t use. > **[Binky Patrol Comforting Covers for Kids](https://binkypatrol.org/)** > > Binky Patrol is an all-volunteer non-profit organization dedicated to making blankets and giving them away to children who are ill abused in shelters hospitals and experiencing any type of trauma. Blankets can be sewn quilted crocheted knitted or... ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/117 "2022-05-27T01:21:43Z")
Maybe someone should have reported to the police that the shooter was dealing drugs in the classroom. Then they would have gotten out the battering ram to break down the door. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/118 "2022-05-27T02:32:16Z")
One of the most incisive comments I’ve seen about the police (in)action: [![](https://external-preview.redd.it/yBGLiaQIUXsRCQpy__ekKkyL4Hue-64R94RdZtSqhvA.jpg?auto=webp&s=02f3839d622ca16f63454423aaddd530f94e7f2e) ](https://external-preview.redd.it/yBGLiaQIUXsRCQpy__ekKkyL4Hue-64R94RdZtSqhvA.jpg?auto=webp&s=02f3839d622ca16f63454423aaddd530f94e7f2e) I can’t seem seem to find the exact post, but someone commented that the police should remove “Protect” from their motto. I disagree; rather, it should be modified to read, “Serve and Protect the Racist, Oligarchical Status Quo.” Since George Floyd’s murder I’ve had a running debate with the Elder Ottlet, who is firmly in the “Defund the Police” camp. I’ve tried to take a more moderate view, but after this I give up: she’s won. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/119 "2022-05-27T03:26:47Z")
This is a really morbid question, but I haven’t seen it asked anywhere. Did the shooter kill everyone in that class, or did he leave anyone in that room alive? Or does anyone know? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028/120 "2022-05-27T05:46:32Z")
I was watching this morning as a little boy (they didn’t name him and disguised his face) described what happened in that room. He watched his friends die. He watched his teachers die. He watched the assassin die. As I saw this my stomach twisted so bad I almost threw up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-dead-at-elementary-school-w-of-san-antonio-tx-may-24-2022/965028.md?page=7)