# 21-year-old fratboy Superdelegate; the statue of liberty is kaput, democracy is dead **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521 "2008-02-13T23:55:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/181 "2008-02-14T15:20:20Z")
I know this is the Pit, and I know we have had threads about it, and I know I shouldn’t read SDMB while I’m being paid to work, but it really annoys me that the OP in this thread has an F-bomb in screaming headline type. Makes me want to slap my monitor, or throw a plate, or take a bread board on a plane, or something. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/182 "2008-02-14T15:25:09Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] He said, “You cannot act as if I’m a troll”. If I see him acting as a troll, the only action I CAN take, not being a mod myself, is to report his posts. That is what I meant. [/QUOTE] That is true. > [@](#): > > I am sorry it disturbs you. This guy disturbs me. Feel my pain. I know he does…he disturbs me somewhat, too…if for no other reason than I am sure that I fit squarely into a demographic that he hates to the point of blind rage. BUT, that’s just it…I really do think that these opinions/emotions from him are genuine, and in my book, that’s not trolling. [QUOTE=Crotalus] Diomedes mentioned jealousy upthread. I think that is a fundamental and sad underlying theme to this poor moron’s posting history. He seems to be driven mad by anyone who is successful in any conventional way, and utterly incapable of understanding how success comes about. [/QUOTE] That’s right… **TLDR** is not willing or able for whatever reasons to play the game the way most people do in order to achieve, and the fact that others do drives him crazy. [QUOTE=Wee Bairn] VCO3, its not that big a deal- you read something that annoyed you so you started a thread, and it turns out you didn’t have all the facts. Just add a post saying you were mistaken about the dude, ask for the thread to be closed and all is forgiven. [/QUOTE] He won’t apologize, because the facts are irrelevant to him…the way I see it, he’s mad at something much larger than this guy, and is just lashing out at what he sees as symbolic of it. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/183 "2008-02-14T15:28:48Z")
Ya know, I have no problem with the Pit. I think it’s great the we have a place to vent and call out other posters and such. But so much of it has become Performace Art. Which is fine in the serviece of a genuine complaint. But then we get crap like this which is someone looking for something to complain about so that he can get his Outraged Laurie Anderson on. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/184 "2008-02-14T15:47:19Z")
[QUOTE=Crotalus] **Alphabits** is either seriously unhinged, or a troll, IMO. In the [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=454399) in which he succumbed to or feigned apoplexy over several television commercials, he posted the following: This was in response to a Burger King commercial. If this is true, the poor boy is probably dangerous to himself and others. If it’s not true, then I’d say he’s a troll. \ [/QUOTE] Come on people, get a grip. You don’t like him? Put him on your ignore list. You don’t want to read his threads? Don’t fucking open them. I cannot believe there are multiple threads with multiple pages of bitching about **TLDR**. Do I think he really smashed a plate on the wall in response to an ad or smacked his monitor because he was so upset? No, but I also know what a hyperbole is, and I think it’s funny as hell. So here’s a big fuck you to everybody who _knows_ they’re going to get all worked up when they read one of his threads, and then complain about how worked up they get when they read one of his threads. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/185 "2008-02-14T15:50:46Z")
I was an elected official of my local Labour Party at age 21. Friends of mine were local counsellors at that age or a year or so later. I guess it is not just the US where Democracy has collapsed and we are governed by children. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/186 "2008-02-14T16:05:23Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Come on people, get a grip. You don’t like him? Put him on your ignore list. You don’t want to read his threads? Don’t fucking open them. I cannot believe there are multiple threads with multiple pages of bitching about **TLDR**. Do I think he really smashed a plate on the wall in response to an ad or smacked his monitor because he was so upset? No, but I also know what a hyperbole is, and I think it’s funny as hell. So here’s a big fuck you to everybody who _knows_ they’re going to get all worked up when they read one of his threads, and then complain about how worked up they get when they read one of his threads. [/QUOTE] I don’t recall getting all worked up about anything he has posted or complaining about getting all worked up. Mildly annoyed that profanity in large letters appears on my screen when I open this thread, but that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/187 "2008-02-14T16:12:15Z")
[QUOTE=Crotalus] I don’t recall getting all worked up about anything he has posted or complaining about getting all worked up. Mildly annoyed that profanity in large letters appears on my screen when I open this thread, but that’s about it. [/QUOTE] I quoted your post because it included the Burger King example, while calling him a troll. My comment wasn’t aimed at you specifically, but I do think it takes a little bit of getting worked up to call somebody a poor boy, unhinged, and dangerous. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m just not digging the general sentiment here. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/188 "2008-02-14T16:17:31Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Come on people, get a grip. You don’t like him? Put him on your ignore list. You don’t want to read his threads? Don’t fucking open them. I cannot believe there are multiple threads with multiple pages of bitching about **TLDR**. Do I think he really smashed a plate on the wall in response to an ad or smacked his monitor because he was so upset? No, but I also know what a hyperbole is, and I think it’s funny as hell. So here’s a big fuck you to everybody who _knows_ they’re going to get all worked up when they read one of his threads, and then complain about how worked up they get when they read one of his threads. [/QUOTE] Seconded. Not only does he save the crazy for the pit, but for pit threads he starts. Don’t like him? Great, don’t open pit threads he starts. [QUOTE=Q.E.D] Trolls. Not posters; trolls. [/QUOTE] I see one possible troll and one admitted troll. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/189 "2008-02-14T16:30:58Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] I quoted your post because it included the Burger King example, while calling him a troll. My comment wasn’t aimed at you specifically, but I do think it takes a little bit of getting worked up to call somebody a poor boy, unhinged, and dangerous. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m just not digging the general sentiment here. [/QUOTE] OK, I understand that. Thanks. My choice of words didn’t stem from any strong emotion about **TLDR**. Based on what he has posted, including some avowals that he means exactly what he says, I have reached a few conclusions about him, a few of which I expressed in the post you quoted. If he really has the strong reactions to mundane things that he claims he has, then he qualifies as unhinged, and if anyone is around when he is throwing plates, dangerous, at least as I understand those words. If he doesn’t actually do the things he says he does, then I consider what he does to be trolling, or as **Trion** put it, performance art. I’m not calling for his banning, I’m reading the thread for the same reason I read others: I enjoy reading what’s here. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/190 "2008-02-14T16:47:37Z")
[QUOTE=Crotalus] \ If he doesn’t actually do the things he says he does, then I consider what he does to be trolling, or as **Trion** put it, performance art. I’m not calling for his banning, I’m reading the thread for the same reason I read others: I enjoy reading what’s here. [/QUOTE] Herein lies the biggest difference between my attitude and the general one. I definitely consider it to be a performance art, which, as far as I know, is not against the rules. Heck, if it was, I wouldn’t enjoy reading what’s on the board, either. Maybe\*\* TLDR\*\*'s online persona is unhinged, maybe he’s unhinged IRL (which I doubt), but it sure makes a damn funny read, from my perspective. Again, sorry if it looked like I was calling you out specifically, my comments were aimed at those that call **TLDR** a troll, then, for example, say they’re going to go around scrutinizing every post they make to see if it’s reportable or not. Seems to me it’d be easier to use the ignore tool. I’m also not calling out **Boyo** specifically, he’s just one of many. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/191 "2008-02-14T16:51:07Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Herein lies the biggest difference between my attitude and the general one. I definitely consider it to be a performance art, which, as far as I know, is not against the rules. [/QUOTE] Hmmm. I thought it _was_ against the rules. No joke threads in the Pit. Or am I misremembering? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/192 "2008-02-14T16:57:26Z")
[QUOTE=Trion] Hmmm. I thought it _was_ against the rules. No joke threads in the Pit. Or am I misremembering? [/QUOTE] Performance art != jokes. One can be legitimately angry about something and yet make the rant entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/193 "2008-02-14T17:01:38Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] Performance art != jokes. One can be legitimately angry about something and yet make the rant entertaining. [/QUOTE] You can actually get criticized around here if the rant isn’t entertaining enough! I don’t think that his hysteria is necessarily indicative that he is pulling all our legs. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/194 "2008-02-14T17:04:29Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] Performance art != jokes. One can be legitimately angry about something and yet make the rant entertaining. [/QUOTE] Yes, as I said upthread, performace art is fine in the service of a geniune complaint. I don’t believe this is a geniune complaint as much as it is someone looking for something to complain about for the purpose of performing. And I believe that kind of thing goes in MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/195 "2008-02-14T17:05:25Z")
I’ve always kinda wondered if **VCO3** was some graduate student’s alter-ego for some sort of internet psychology or sociology experiment. It would make more sense to me that way. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/196 "2008-02-14T17:10:02Z")
[QUOTE=pulykamell] I’ve always kinda wondered if **VCO3** was some graduate student’s alter-ego for some sort of internet psychology or sociology experiment. It would make more sense to me that way. [/QUOTE] Pretty sure he’s just a regular angry youth. The world will beat him down eventually. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/197 "2008-02-14T17:12:06Z")
[QUOTE=Omegaman] Pretty sure he’s just a regular angry youth. The world will beat him down eventually. [/QUOTE] A man can hope, can’t he? (FTR, I do think he’s real, but a bit exaggerated. I can’t exactly say I haven’t known people IRL with attitudes and ideas similar to **VCO3** , although perhaps not as consistently over-the-top.) ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/198 "2008-02-14T17:22:37Z")
[QUOTE=saoirse] I see one possible troll and one admitted troll. [/QUOTE] Who’s admitted to being a troll in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/199 "2008-02-14T17:22:40Z")
[QUOTE=Trion] Yes, as I said upthread, performace art is fine in the service of a geniune complaint. I don’t believe this is a geniune complaint as much as it is someone looking for something to complain about for the purpose of performing. And I believe that kind of thing goes in MPSIMS. [/QUOTE] Ehh. If he put it in MPSIMS, people couldn’t call him a troll, and it wouldn’t be as fun for them. They’d report the thread, and it’d end up getting moved here, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/200 "2008-02-14T17:34:28Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.Who’s admitted to being a troll in this thread] ? [/QUOTE] You’ll have to read back and see. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521.md?page=11)