# 21-year-old fratboy Superdelegate; the statue of liberty is kaput, democracy is dead **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 13, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521 "2008-02-13T23:55:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/161 "2008-02-14T05:48:02Z")
[QUOTE=kidchameleon] Really? You’re bitching about California’s governors? How about looking at your fucking state? Where’s the previous governor? Oh yeah, up in Wisconsin _in prison_. Who’d you replace him with? Oh yeah, another guy under investigation by the attorney general for fraud? So go ahead and make fun of California for their political choices, you just keep backing your crooks, fuckhead. We won’t start with your city government… [/QUOTE] Like I said, I don’t really believe in democracy, so I’m not defending Chicargo at all. Chicago’s just so over-the-top and open in its corruption that it’s like being on a movie set. Like you can’t even take it seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/162 "2008-02-14T06:10:53Z")
[QUOTE=TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW] Like I said, I don’t really believe in democracy… [/QUOTE] If that’s true, then why do you have your panties in such a twist and wailing that “democracy is dead” (to quote the thread title). I’d think you’d be pleased about this “evidence” of democracy being dead, given that you hate it so much. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/163 "2008-02-14T06:22:16Z")
Wait, I think I’ve figured it out, its Klingon for “buttmunch”. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/164 "2008-02-14T07:10:58Z")
[QUOTE=TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW] Like I said, I don’t really believe in democracy [/QUOTE] I can’t imagine you’re much of a fan of mob rule, either. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/165 "2008-02-14T07:25:38Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Yeah! A quality whacking is at least $10K these days. [/QUOTE] What does a mediocre job run? I have a longer list than a budget. Do they give quantity discounts? ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/166 "2008-02-14T07:55:28Z")
This OP has one thing to do with alcohol at least…I lost two brain cells just from reading it. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 9:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/167 "2008-02-14T09:01:32Z")
Is this simple trollery, or a more complex case of jealousy for someone who got their shit together at a younger age than you? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/168 "2008-02-14T09:58:02Z")
[QUOTE=Key Lime Guy] I think **TL…** is one of the more interesting posters here, but this one’s been off the tracks from the beginning. It would be much worse if all the superdelegates were old Daniel Schorr\*-type dudes. \*when is that guy gonna do us all a favor and die? [/QUOTE] The problem I have with people who are like “yeah, I know **VCO3** is an asshole, but he’s just so damn amusing! And he’s edgy and stuff, too” is they are basically buying into a lie. The problem is, all he is a troll who has built an entirely manufactured persona for the pure purpose of trolling. Do I think his posting persona is some reflection of the real him? Definitely, it’s impossible to totally separate any character from the real person inside. I think he is someone who would do well with a LiveJournal or a blog to rant into, he’s someone who gets pissy too easily. I also very, very seriously doubt he gets nearly as mad as he acts here. It’s an act. If this was the genuine him, I’d feel sorry for him and probably be amused by him at the same time (in a guilty way since it would be akin to laughing at the disabled.) But no, this “mega-rage” bullshit is clearly manufactured to piss people off, these aren’t his real emotions. A long time ago when he first started posting, I think that was closer to his genuine self. His style was subtly different then, he still ranted and raved, but this is just over the top now. Over time he has come to realize just what pisses off the forum and he has magnified those characteristics of himself dramatically to further his career as a troll. I’d say he is working with the deliberate angle of eventually being banned, but ideally he will get away with this behavior for months or even longer before it finally happens, getting attention and flames that he desires so much along the way. It is my sincere hope that the SDBM staff recognize this pattern and ban him. I don’t like some of the witch hunts that go down on unpopular posters. I’m a pretty unpopular poster. A lot of what I say offends or pisses people here off, but that is _not my intentions_ with any of my posts. I’m all about the free exchange of ideas no matter how unpopular those ideas happen to be. But I think they should be genuine ideas, not just manufactured rhetoric designed with the sole intent of pissing other posters off. As much as I bash the membership of these forums, I actually enjoy posting here, and I think the _true_ trolls hurt this place as a whole. They’re just like class clowns. Some people think they are _oh so funny_ but you know what, all they really do is disrupt the good students who are actually trying to learn. I know this isn’t a class room, but it’s not a totally unstructured, anything-goes environment either. We have rules and moderators for a reason, primarily to deal with people like **VCO3** in my opinion. I post on a lot of message boards, some with stricter rules than here and some with no moderation staff and no rules at all. They all offer different flavors of discussion, the unmoderated forums aren’t _bad_. But there is a certain environment that effective moderating can provide and that is done pretty well here, **VCO3** is just a huge disruption that makes the entire message board look foolish with all the attention he gets. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/169 "2008-02-14T10:02:08Z")
I’ve got to start looking at the name of the OP before opening a thread. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/170 "2008-02-14T11:59:34Z")
The OP’s hysterical tone is pretty funny, but not half as funny as the idiots who fall for TLDR’s baiting every. single. time. Holy shit guys, stop taking him so seriously and you’ll find his posts pretty amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/171 "2008-02-14T12:11:15Z")
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena] That doesn’t even make sense. So what if you would have reported him for this thread if it had been in another forum? [/QUOTE] He said, “You cannot act as if I’m a troll”. If I see him acting as a troll, the only action I CAN take, not being a mod myself, is to report his posts. That is what I meant. > [@](#): > > Some things are allowed in the Pit that aren’t allowed in other forums. You have to show that he is breaking the rules of the forum he’s in to justify tattling to the mods. > > I agree with **Santo Rugger** …this comment is disturbing… I am sorry it disturbs you. This guy disturbs me. Feel my pain. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/172 "2008-02-14T12:16:31Z")
[QUOTE=bbs2k] Yes it was taken out of context, but still a little “too much”. Also, how long will you have that special member title? I’ve held off from bringing this up, because I really kind of like you, and think you’re a funny guy, but the fact that you get a special title and no one else does has begun to annoy me. Especially since we’ve had a number of ATMB threads asking this same question. Congrats dude. You did a fantastic thing. If this message board needs more money why not ask me for $10 so I can change mine too? So my minor grudge isn’t really so much with you, as much as the policy of singling out the have nots. I know I come across like a bitch, so sorry. [/QUOTE] I didn’t ask for the title. I didn’t even know it had been bestowed upon me until someone asked me about it and I said, “What are you talking about?” I suspect it will disappear after July, when the next Bulwer-Lytton winners are announced… unless I win again. 😛 I just don’t quite get the $10 comment. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/173 "2008-02-14T13:19:44Z")
**Alphabits** is either seriously unhinged, or a troll, IMO. In the [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=454399) in which he succumbed to or feigned apoplexy over several television commercials, he posted the following: [QUOTE=TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW] The last time one of those came on - last night, before I wrote this thread - I picked up the plate I had been eating dinner on and smashed it against the wall, then had a full panic attack. I felt like my mind had been raped. [/QUOTE] This was in response to a Burger King commercial. If this is true, the poor boy is probably dangerous to himself and others. If it’s not true, then I’d say he’s a troll. **Diomedes** mentioned jealousy upthread. I think that is a fundamental and sad underlying theme to this poor moron’s posting history. He seems to be driven mad by anyone who is successful in any conventional way, and utterly incapable of understanding how success comes about. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/174 "2008-02-14T13:32:23Z")
I just want to point out (as a person in the seventh decade of his life) that at Jason Rae’s age [William Pitt](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Pitt_the_Younger) was already a member of the British House of Commons, and three years later was Prime Minister. There is no reason why a 21-year-old cannot take part in a national political convention, and it would probably be better for all of us if a lot more did get involved in politics at this level. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/175 "2008-02-14T13:42:06Z")
[QUOTE=Crotalus] **Alphabits** is either seriously unhinged, or a troll, IMO. In the [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=454399) in which he succumbed to or feigned apoplexy over several television commercials, he posted the following: This was in response to a Burger King commercial. If this is true, the poor boy is probably dangerous to himself and others. If it’s not true, then I’d say he’s a troll. **Diomedes** mentioned jealousy upthread. I think that is a fundamental and sad underlying theme to this poor moron’s posting history. He seems to be driven mad by anyone who is successful in any conventional way, and utterly incapable of understanding how success comes about. [/QUOTE] why do i get the idea that the OP lives under a bridge and fights billy goats? ---
**Author:** ![Borborygmi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/borborygmi/32/217_2.png) [@Borborygmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Borborygmi)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/176 "2008-02-14T13:49:04Z")
Getting back to the OP, I’d like to chime in that I have no problem with a worthy 21-year-old earning the right to be a superdelegate in the Democratic Party. Unless his name is ‘Squibb’. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/177 "2008-02-14T14:30:55Z")
**VCO3** , its not that big a deal- you read something that annoyed you so you started a thread, and it turns out you didn’t have all the facts. Just add a post saying you were mistaken about the dude, ask for the thread to be closed and all is forgiven. ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/178 "2008-02-14T14:36:21Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] **VCO3** , its not that big a deal- you read something that annoyed you so you started a thread, and it turns out you didn’t have all the facts. Just add a post saying you were mistaken about the dude, ask for the thread to be closed and all is forgiven. [/QUOTE] I think that’s one of the signs of the apocalypse. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/179 "2008-02-14T14:57:39Z")
[QUOTE=TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW] Sorry guys, I really should have gone for a Yu-Gi-Oh or Naruto or Avatar: The Last Airbendar reference; the Poket monster one is outdated and embarrassing. This is just a lot to deal with right now and I got frazzled. [/QUOTE] This seals the deal for me. Dude may not necessarily be intending to troll, but his sense of humor is so out of whack and hamfisted that he might as well be. I think he’s trying to be tongue in cheek, or at least humorous on a level like **Sauron** , but is failing spectacularly. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2008, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521/180 "2008-02-14T15:09:51Z")
Why can’t this idiot just go the everlovinfuck away? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/21-year-old-fratboy-superdelegate-the-statue-of-liberty-is-kaput-democracy-is-dead/437521.md?page=10)