# 24 hours and no one has pitted the Youtube shooter? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 5, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848 "2018-04-05T03:29:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/41 "2018-04-05T10:28:08Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Indeed. That’s why the hottest [thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=852286) over in GD for the last couple days has been about discerning the proper protocol for when one might legally run over pedestrians who scare a car’s occupants. Only in America… > > But you’re right - we should have pity for them. It’s not their fault they were born in a dystopian shithole. Well, to be honest it hasn’t always been a dystopian shithole. We were once a pretty good, law-abiding country. Then the counterculture revolution happened. Drugs and their concomitant criminality skyrocketed. Violent criminals began to hit the streets over and over and over again, because, you see, it was society’s fault they turned out the way they did. And decades of permissiveness combined with ever shrinking educational standards created entire generations of entitled ne’er-do-wells who can’t hack it in life but feel entitled to take from others what they either can’t or can’t be arsed to earn for themselves. And so here we are. Most of our states have passed laws allowing their citizens to carry firearms, our police forces have become para-military units, and the same people who’ve created all this are now whinging about our increasing ability to defend ourselves by focusing on the tiny minority of times that people get wrongfully shot by wackos with guns. If only the wackos were Muslims, these same people would be pointing out that more people get killed by lightning than by school shooters. So go figure, there’s just no explanation for how liberals think. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/42 "2018-04-05T10:50:36Z")
JFC you’re a tiresome crazy old dullard. Fuck right off, asspipe. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/43 "2018-04-05T11:36:58Z")
Anyone find it interesting that when there is a tragedy like this, many people on the left use it to try and effect meaningful change in gun control laws, while many people on the right use it to try and score idiotic political points against the evil left? Priorities! ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/44 "2018-04-05T11:57:31Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > One can hardly blame the OP for suspecting hypocritical silence on the issue due to the shooter’s Democrat profile since we’ve seen an almost unlimited number of times when Democrat politicians and activists and functionaries are given a pass for things that conservatives and Republicans are excoriated for. It never fails. Somehow a Democrat or liberal is responsible. So where did you see the YouTube shooter “given a pass”? > [@](#): > > However to address the query presented by the OP, the poor woman was clearly mentally ill, and generally people are given a pass from criticism for their actions whenever little doubt exists that they are genuinely troubled and aren’t capable of thinking straight. I feel sorry for her. Apart from her illness she had much going for her that many people would envy. She was attractive, devoted to healthy lifestyle practices, intelligent and entrepreneurial. If she hadn’t been so ill she could have lived a very good life. Go ahead, say it, you know you want to… _if the liberals hadn’t brainwashed her._ ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/45 "2018-04-05T12:00:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, to be honest it hasn’t always been a dystopian shithole. We were once a pretty good, law-abiding country. Not in my lifetime. I was born in 1970. In New York. > [@](#): > > Then the counterculture revolution happened. Drugs and their concomitant criminality skyrocketed. Violent criminals began to hit the streets over and over and over again, because, you see, it was society’s fault they turned out the way they did. And decades of permissiveness combined with ever shrinking educational standards created entire generations of entitled ne’er-do-wells who can’t hack it in life but feel entitled to take from others what they either can’t or can’t be arsed to earn for themselves. We also had a counterculture and rising recreational drug use in Europe generally, and Ireland specifically. Yours is not the only society to have been buffeted by these changes. We also have far more permissive criminal sentencing as well as a far more generous welfare state than that found stateside. As mentioned above by **bucketybuck** , we’ve even had to deal with a paramilitary insurgency for many decades since the halcyon 1950’s, and yet - ours is a far more peaceful and stable society than yours. You’re not looking for the sources of your manifold societal problems in the right place if your focus is on drugs, “liberals”, and terrorism… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/46 "2018-04-05T12:04:50Z")
[The thread is over here.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=852308) You’re welcome, OP. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/47 "2018-04-05T12:14:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Gun ownership for protection is a form of insurance. You don’t have it because you’re afraid something will happen, you have it so you’re protected in the event something does. Hopefully even you can grasp this concept. It’s a form of health insurance that also causes the disease. And that doesn’t always pay out. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/48 "2018-04-05T12:18:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, to be honest it hasn’t always been a dystopian shithole. We were once a pretty good, law-abiding country. . America is not a dystopian shithole, and still is an awesome country. It’s got a problem though. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/49 "2018-04-05T12:35:13Z")
Yeah, but as long as we keep him busy posting here, it’s not so bad. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/50 "2018-04-05T12:36:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Gun ownership for protection is a form of insurance. You don’t have it because you’re afraid something will happen, you have it so you’re protected in the event something does. Hopefully even you can grasp this concept. You ask much of them, my friend. Perhaps too much. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/51 "2018-04-05T12:44:41Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Wow! That wasn’t predictable at all! > > But not much of a diversion from the hypocrisy. > > But please, do carry on. Please, bring your empty head back for more abuse. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/52 "2018-04-05T12:47:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Well, to be honest it hasn’t always been a dystopian shithole. We were once a pretty good, law-abiding country. > > Then the counterculture revolution happened. Drugs and their concomitant criminality skyrocketed. Violent criminals began to hit the streets over and over and over again, because, you see, it was society’s fault they turned out the way they did. And decades of permissiveness combined with ever shrinking educational standards created entire generations of entitled ne’er-do-wells who can’t hack it in life but feel entitled to take from others what they either can’t or can’t be arsed to earn for themselves. Actually, [homicide rates](https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014) that did go up in the latter part of the 20th century have now fallen back to the level they were at around 1950. Over the long term (i.e., since the 1700s), the [homocide rate](http://blogs.berkeley.edu/2010/06/16/a-crime-puzzle-violent-crime-declines-in-america/) has fallen dramatically. And, in contrast to your claim that we have somehow let criminals out of prison, in fact [incarceration rates soared](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate#/media/File:US_incarceration_timeline-clean.svg) in the last 50 years and are only starting to level off in about the last decade. Your conservative fairy tale bears very little resemblance to reality, but hey, I am sure it makes you feel good. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/53 "2018-04-05T12:54:32Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You ask much of them, my friend. Perhaps too much. You speak with the kind of confidence only ignorance can build. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/54 "2018-04-05T13:16:49Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Nobody even died other than the shooter herself, right? Because she only had a handgun, and not something that fired more rounds more rapidly. Maybe we could all learn something from that. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/55 "2018-04-05T13:17:19Z")
Yum. Conservative tears are sweet and delicious. Boo hoo hoo hoo. What a bunch of sobbing little bitches, just like their punk in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/56 "2018-04-05T13:25:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You speak with the kind of confidence only ignorance can build. Well that and years of trying to break granite stones with his head. ---
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/57 "2018-04-05T13:29:27Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > how many people in these ‘normal’ countries get raped, robbed and/or killed because they lack the means to defend themselves? Generally, fewer than in the US where “the means to defend themselves” are easily available for any idiot. But if you had been able to use Google and/or Wikipedia, you could have checked that yourself instead of JAQing off here. UNODC murder rates (per 100,000 inhabitants) 94 United States 4.88 162 France 1.58 174 Sweden 1.15 178 Denmark 0.99 179 Australia 0.98 180 Portugal 0.97 183 United Kingdom 0.92 184 Iceland 0.91 185 New Zealand 0.91 190 Germany 0.85 192 Italy 0.78 197 Luxembourg 0.72 199 Switzerland 0.69 202 Ireland 0.64 204 Norway 0.56 208 Austria 0.51 212 Japan 0.31 Cite: [List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) Rape at the national level, number of police-recorded offenses Rate per 100,000 population, 2010 Sweden 63.5 Australia 28.6 Belgium 27.9 United States 27.3 New Zealand 25.8 Norway 19.2 Finland 15.2 Ireland 10.7 Austria 10.4 Germany 9.2 Netherlands 9.2 Switzerland 7.1 Portugal 4.0 Spain 3.4 Canada 1.7 Japan 1.0 Cite: [Rape statistics - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics) EDIT: Guns per 100 residents 1 United States 101 8 Norway 31.3 9 France 30.8 11 Austria 30.4 12 Iceland 30.3 13 Germany 30.3 14 Finland 27.3 18 Switzerland 24.45 21 Australia 24.1 23 New Zealand 22.6 28 Sweden 21 36 Belgium 17.2 39 Luxembourg 15.3 54 Denmark 12 55 Italy 11.9 84 United Kingdom 6.2 ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/58 "2018-04-05T13:37:12Z")
Those countries don’t count because they don’t have black people in them. Oh wait, sorry, they are a “homogenized culture” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/59 "2018-04-05T13:37:53Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > America is not a dystopian shithole, and still is an awesome country. It’s got a problem though. As the one who proffered the formulation “dystopian shithole”, I take issue with this. Sure, “shithole” is in the eye of the beholder, but I’m on [pretty](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dystopia) [firm](https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/dystopia) [ground](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia) when I assert the dystopian nature of current American society. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/60 "2018-04-05T14:10:44Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > America is not a dystopian shithole, and still is an awesome country. It’s got a problem though. Too many **Starving Artist** s? > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > You speak with the kind of confidence only ignorance can build. With great ignorance comes great buffoonery. Stranger [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848.md?page=4)