# 24 hours and no one has pitted the Youtube shooter? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 5, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848 "2018-04-05T03:29:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/141 "2018-04-06T14:27:23Z")
> [@Norse](#): > > Rape statistics are dodgy, at best. Only a fraction of rapes are reported, and as **SaneBill** pointed out back in post [#63](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20886708&postcount=63), what legally constitutes rape and the willingness of the rape victims to press charges vary wildly between countries. I’m pretty certain that the high numbers for Sweden is a statistical outlier caused by those effects. Actually, while that probably contributes, I am told that the big culprit is Swedens practice of recording each rape as a separate incident, rather than just prosecuting them as a bundle. That jacks the numbers up a lot for marital rape. > [@Norse](#): > > My point with those numbers was that despite the fact that people in civilized countries “lack the means to defend themselves”, there are no data indicating that they are killed or raped more often than people in the US. Quite on the contrary: the US tops the homicide statistics and is fairly close to the top in the rape statistics. And is at the top in gun ownership per capita, way above the others. So I guess having nearly unlimited access to “the means to defend themselves” doesn’t help much against being killed or raped. It occurs to me that it is possible that having a gun makes you individually safer in a high-gun environment, while a higher prevalence of guns in the environment makes everyone in it less safe. Two opposite processes. Every time someone gets a gun to make him/herself safer, everyone elses safety drops a little. In the end, the cumulative effect of everyone else having guns is larger than the individual effect of your own gun. ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/142 "2018-04-06T14:29:21Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > You sad little people are always so scared all of the time, I feel quite sorry for you really. It must be hard to live in such fear. My mom doesn’t live in fear all the time. She nevertheless was happy to have her Model 10 when someone pried open her window the night she returned from a vacation. Self defense is an entirely valid reason to want to own a firearm. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/143 "2018-04-06T15:30:04Z")
Human Action wrote: "The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. How do you square that with a “revolving door”? Irrespective of the larger issues involved the two are not contradictory. We could send a LOT of people to jail, but not keep them there very long. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/144 "2018-04-06T15:49:34Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Human Action wrote: "The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. How do you square that with a “revolving door”? > > Irrespective of the larger issues involved the two are not contradictory. We could send a LOT of people to jail, but not keep them there very long. Wrong. Incarceration rate is defined relative to a single point in time. Imprison the same number of people annually, but keep them in prison twice as long and the _incarceration rate_ doubles. (And indeed long prison terms is a major reason for the U.S.'s shamefully high incarceration rates.) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/145 "2018-04-06T16:02:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Wrong. Incarceration rate is defined relative to a single point in time. Imprison the same number of people annually, but keep them in prison twice as long and the _incarceration rate_ doubles. (And indeed long prison terms is a major reason for the U.S.'s shamefully high incarceration rates.) I’m not **E-DUB** , but it seemed pretty obvious to me that what he was saying was that you can have a revolving door without changing the incarceration rate, by sending more people to prison, but for shorter periods of time. For instance, sending 6 million people to prison for 4 months each, gets you the same incarceration rate as sending 2 million people to prison for a year each. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/146 "2018-04-06T16:02:26Z")
And here’s some info: [How Prison Sentences in America Compare to Other Countries](https://www.attn.com/stories/14338/how-prison-sentences-america-compare-other-countries) And: [AVERAGE PRISON SENTENCE IN THE U.S. IS GETTING EVEN LONGER](http://www.newsweek.com/prison-sentences-increased-2017-jail-639952) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/147 "2018-04-06T16:48:26Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I had no idea Sweden was so rapey! Keep in mind we’ve only ever seen the Swedish Chef’s kitchen. We’ve yet to take the full measure of his soundproofed basement sex dungeon. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/148 "2018-04-06T16:55:53Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Keep in mind we’ve only ever seen the Swedish Chef’s kitchen. We’ve yet to take the full measure of his soundproofed basement sex dungeon. It’s not _that_ soundproofed-If you listen closely you can the hear “Bork! Bork! Bork!”…and the screams of the chickens. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/149 "2018-04-06T16:56:52Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Human Action wrote: "The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world. How do you square that with a “revolving door”? > > Irrespective of the larger issues involved the two are not contradictory. We could send a LOT of people to jail, but not keep them there very long. We aren’t, though. Relative to the rest of the world, we send a lot of people to jail, _and_ keep them there for a very long time. If what we have is a “revolving door” system, then everywhere in the world is somewhere between “revolving door” and “no door”. **SA** , as usual, makes the US out to be shockingly lax, when we’re actually shockingly punitive. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/150 "2018-04-06T17:22:40Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > We aren’t, though. Relative to the rest of the world, we send a lot of people to jail, _and_ keep them there for a very long time. > > If what we have is a “revolving door” system, then everywhere in the world is somewhere between “revolving door” and “no door”. **SA** , as usual, makes the US out to be shockingly lax, when we’re actually shockingly punitive. Yeah, it’s not a revolving door that you go in, then out quickly, it is a revolving door that you go out, then back in quickly. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848/151 "2018-04-06T18:11:45Z")
Also American system is as said punitive, but European aims to rehabilitate. Apparently there’s not conclusive data on recidivism rates, but [The United States has one of the highest rates of incarceration and recidivism in the world](https://criminalrehab.wordpress.com/category/final-arguments/) I tried to find crime clearance statistics, but there seems to be a problem with definitions. In some countries crime is ‘solved’ if a probable suspect can be named. In Sweden it needs a conviction. Somehow I can’t help thinking that the rate is higher in Europe, but I’m biased. However I found that US homicide clearance rate is about 65 %. Finland’s thirty year average is more than 90 % and in 2008 it was 103 % ! ( They had some catching up, it was 79 % in the previous year… ) All in all, it doesn’t look good for The Land Of The Free. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-hours-and-no-one-has-pitted-the-youtube-shooter/811848.md?page=7)