# 24: Redemption **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 23, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159 "2008-11-23T22:47:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/21 "2008-11-24T15:10:02Z")
Where was the army of the nation of Sengala? They might have been able to do something about the insurgents, no? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/22 "2008-11-24T16:48:55Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > The nation of Sengala apparently runs on GMT time, putting it on the western bulge somewhere. That makes it all make sense. Had I looked at a map last night, I would have gotten it. Instead, I looked at one just now. Yep, on the west coast of the bulge, right in the middle, and due south of Limerick. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/23 "2008-11-24T18:11:46Z")
I thought it was good but not great. It didn’t have any of the moments that really make **24** awesome… no hacksaw, no crazy Jack ass-kicking. The best moment didn’t even involve Jack at all (the guy on the mine). (Granted, you’d think they could have figured out some way around that…) On the other hand, there weren’t any of the things that really make **24** suck. There was no hilariously overcomplicated plan, no pointless side-plot involving Kim, no pointless technobabble. I definitely like the idea of a presidential offspring being involved in the upcoming season’s plot, however. ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/24 "2008-11-24T19:47:27Z")
I thought it was okay, not great. I did like the change of scenery quite a bit, though. The threat was also a nice change of pace. Civil war is refreshingly plausible after the nuclear bombs and megaviruses we’ve come to expect. I really hope they eventually decide to say “the hell with realism” and throw in a paranormal threat. I think a zombie uprising would make for a fantastic season. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/25 "2008-11-24T21:13:15Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > OK, so seriously, does anyone actually think this season’s gonna be good? Really? I’ve watched religiously since Season 1, and…meh. I thought this movie was going to possibly get me amped up to watch, but I think it’s done the opposite. Good? No. Silly? Yes. And I like silly. I enjoy watching the writers paint themselves into a corner and trying to find a way out. It’s fun to see them dream up all kinds of magnificent stunts only to save the day by having Chloë re-direct the satellite (flying aprox a mile over L.A. and taking pictures from the side of things). And Kiefer is playing it sooo straight, which makes the comedy even better. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/26 "2008-11-24T21:25:34Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > Good? No. > Silly? Yes. > > And I like silly. > I enjoy watching the writers paint themselves into a corner and trying to find a way out. It’s fun to see them dream up all kinds of magnificent stunts only to save the day by having Chloë re-direct the satellite (flying aprox a mile over L.A. and taking pictures from the side of things). And Kiefer is playing it sooo straight, which makes the comedy even better. Oh man. Chloe. How could I forget. I might watch this season after all… ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/27 "2008-11-25T01:31:46Z")
SNIP > [@tdn](#): > > So will the entire season take place in Africa, or was this just a transitional episode? SNIP No. — That is, Episodes WILL BE back in the US. The entire movie was set up to bridge the gap from Season 6 to Season 7. The movie gave backstory to why Jack shows up in [US] court. Information on Season 7 spoiler below. Which leads to: The sneak preview we saw some time back, with Jack giving an argument defending his actions from season 6. Looks like the sneak preview we saw way back when for the “next” season of 24 is still on track. YAY. * * * Frankly, I don’t know what I was expecting, but “Redemption” wasnt it. At all. I mean, I know it was Africa, but, for two hours, it had about as much action as “regular” 15 minutes of a GOOD 24 EP has. I mean, Really, we waited this long for a 24 ““movie”” as this is what we got?! REALLY?! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/28 "2008-11-25T01:36:34Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I mean, Really, we waited this long for a 24 ““movie”” as this is what we got?! The red hot machete to the face and breaking the neck of the guy who did it with his legs is what, chopped liver? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/29 "2008-11-25T01:42:43Z")
Well, the secret truth is, Fox had been getting a lot of flack from the EEOC over the racial favoritism Jack had been showing, so this was just a chance to let him kill some black folks to get that evened out some. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/30 "2008-11-25T01:46:24Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The red hot machete to the face and breaking the neck of the guy who did it with his legs is what, chopped liver? > > 🙂 Already done once or twice? Not to Equate 24 to Saw, but, if you remember how Chase ended up at end of his season, or Doyle, for that matter. … I mean, a standard for 24 ((All aspects of the show, Yes, the torture included)) has been set. Redemption did not match it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/31 "2008-11-25T02:01:35Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > so this was just a chance to let him kill some black folks to get that evened out some. Repetition is odious, but killing [Curtis](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Black+Bauer) was what, chopped liver? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/32 "2008-11-25T02:10:25Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Not to Equate 24 to Saw, but, if you remember how Chase ended up at end of his season, or Doyle, for that matter. … I don’t have a clue. The toughest guy I saw was in _Burn Notice,_ when they beat the shit out of Sam, “Man, that really hurt. Was it good for you?” ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/33 "2008-11-25T02:19:29Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Repetition is odious, but killing [Curtis](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Black+Bauer) was what, chopped liver? > 🙂 Trust me, the EEOC cares about quantity, not mass. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/34 "2008-11-25T02:30:43Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Trust me, the EEOC cares about quantity, not mass. I think you’ve set a record for losing me in a thread. 🙂 What is “EEOC”? Shouldn’t that be “quality, not mass”? Do you mean the number of guys, not how big they are? We’re talking about the Bauerism, spoken to whats-his-name, New Bauer Sidekick, a job with the life expectancy of “Al-Quida No. 2”. “I killed the guy who last had your job, and I _liked_ him.” ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/35 "2008-11-25T02:42:06Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > What is “EEOC”? Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. > [@](#): > > Shouldn’t that be “quality, not mass”? Do you mean the number of guys, not how big they are? Yes, exactly. Curtis was big. In _Redemption_, Jack kills in quantity. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/36 "2008-11-25T03:27:36Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. > > Yes, exactly. Curtis was big. In _Redemption_, Jack kills in quantity. Hell, they _needed_ killing. Randolph Scott can do _that._ Blowing your best friend away has got to count for killing, say, twenty-five bad guys. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/37 "2008-11-25T06:05:50Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Hell, they _needed_ killing. Randolph Scott can do _that._ Randolph Scott? RAAAAAAAAANDOOOOOOOOLPH SCOTT! \ ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/38 "2008-11-25T08:08:40Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Oh, and for a schoolteacher, Jack’s buddy isn’t much for critical thinking. > > “No, the only solution is for me to stand here and die when the baddies arrive.” > > Rather than, “Hey Jack, do we have anything heavy, like a big pack, that we could slide onto this booby-trap land-mine simultaneously (and carefully) as I slide my foot off – you know, to hold this puppy down while we all escape?” And poor Jack can’t disarm a bomb without Chloe. ---
**Author:** ![Szlater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Szlater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Szlater)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/39 "2008-11-25T13:58:44Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Rather than, “Hey Jack, do we have anything heavy, like a big pack, that we could slide onto this booby-trap land-mine simultaneously (and carefully) as I slide my foot off – you know, to hold this puppy down while we all escape?” And one slip and they both die and none of the kids are saved. Him sacrificing himself was the sensible plan. ---
**Author:** ![Szlater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Szlater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Szlater)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/40 "2008-11-25T14:00:54Z")
I like the fact that the writers are still proudly displaying their rightwing credentials by making the UN aid worker a selfish prick. Gotta get the digs into the liberals somehow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159.md?page=3)