# 24: Redemption **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 23, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159 "2008-11-23T22:47:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/41 "2008-11-25T15:58:43Z")
> [@Szlater](#): > > And one slip and they both die and none of the kids are saved. > > Him sacrificing himself was the sensible plan. As soon as I saw him notice the men, and then ““surrender”” I figured thats what he was doing. I mean, if you had that exact situation, wouldnt you do it? 1. Jack left him. 2 .He had no communication device ((Electronic)) 2. He resigned to death anyway. 3. The numbers were on his size. 1 good guy for 4 bad guys, to save 12 kids, and arguably Jack Bauer? ’ Who wouldn’t chose to go that way, over just dying with the mine? But, Again, it is intersting to see Fox is Still mixing plot points between its shows. I’m Looking at you, AGAIN, Prison Break! You got your Jack Bauer in my Michael Scofield, You got your Micheal Scofield in my Jack Bauer. ---
**Author:** ![want2know](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@want2know](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/want2know)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/42 "2008-11-25T16:30:57Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The red hot machete to the face and breaking the neck of the guy who did it with his legs is what, chopped liver? > > 🙂 And, as usual, Jack walks away from said red-hot machete to the face without so much as a blister! :dubious: Loved the neck-breaking, though it still pales in comparison to Vampire Jack’s throat-ripping from last season. I’m sure all this will become clear in the upcoming season, but I was amused at the fact that Arms-Trader Guy has enough juice to get a ringside seat for the inauguration. And it seems that the vetting process for Secret Service agents is as effective as it’s been in the past regarding high-security-clearance personnel within arm’s reach of the POTUS. 😃 Finally, I know that a certain amount of disbelief-suspension is required for _24_, but you’re telling me that these thousands of panicked Sengalese just stepped aside when the gate was opened and let the kids through? All in all, good, not great. But rest assured that I will be there for all 24 hours this season. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/43 "2008-11-25T18:17:58Z")
I thought it was quite good. The main problem I have with 24 is that they have to stretch the plot through the full 24 hours, which forces them into crazy multi-level plots that make no sense. This was just a nice self-contained 2 hour show. I’ve always thought that the way around this for them is to have better partners for Jack, who could operate independently from him. But they keep killing all those guys off :). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/44 "2008-11-25T19:07:41Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > But they keep killing all those guys off :). You’d live longer being married to one of the Cartwright Boys that being Jack’s sidekick. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/45 "2008-11-25T19:28:15Z")
Nice to see Robert Carlyle getting some work. Way to teach those kids Bebgie. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/46 "2008-11-25T21:57:27Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > That’s not until January. > Calm yourself. > 🙂 First, I didn’t start \*this \*thread, which must be what you are thinking. Second, I really did start the **first thread for this show** , back when **season one** was on in 2001. That was my, admittedly shallow, point. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/47 "2008-11-25T22:22:02Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > First, I didn’t start \*this \*thread, which must be what you are thinking. > > Second, I really did start the **first thread for this show** , back when **season one** was on in 2001. > > That was my, admittedly shallow, point. My mistake. Cool. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/48 "2008-11-25T23:09:47Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > I thought it was quite good. The main problem I have with 24 is that they have to stretch the plot through the full 24 hours, which forces them into crazy multi-level plots that make no sense. This was just a nice self-contained 2 hour show. I think the Columbo model would be great for some of the modern drama series. 24 and BSG, for starters. Just have a TV movie every few weeks, instead of cranking out hourlong chunks every week. ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/49 "2008-11-26T00:21:47Z")
> [@Szlater](#): > > And one slip and they both die and none of the kids are saved. > > Him sacrificing himself was the sensible plan. The guy on the mine was wearing shoes, right? Jack gets a really big rock, rolls it onto the guy’s foot (ok, might hurt a bit, but better than dying), the guy then slips his foot out of the shoe while Jack keeps the rock in place. The bottom of the shoe, which is the part in contact with the mine’s switch, won’t move a millimeter. No problem. My problem with that bit: Do they really make anti-personnel mines where stepping on it presses some sort of switch down but does nothing, and the mine only explodes when the switch goes back UP? Seems like a silly and unnecessarily complicated way to make a mine to me. I thought they all worked such that when you step on it, the switch goes down and the mine goes boom. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/50 "2008-11-26T02:52:37Z")
> [@Roadfood](#): > > The guy on the mine was wearing shoes, right? Jack gets a really big rock, rolls it onto the guy’s foot They could have use the pack, screw up, and the mine kills sidekick buy Jack is protected from the blast by the pack. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/51 "2008-11-26T03:55:30Z")
> [@Roadfood](#): > > The guy on the mine was wearing shoes, right? Jack gets a really big rock, rolls it onto the guy’s foot (ok, might hurt a bit, but better than dying), the guy then slips his foot out of the shoe while Jack keeps the rock in place. The bottom of the shoe, which is the part in contact with the mine’s switch, won’t move a millimeter. No problem. Or one person could have held the shoe down with his hands while the guy on the mine slipped out and then put a big rock on the shoe. If Jack could have reached Chloe, she would have told him this. Still, I did enjoy the scene where he got the soldiers to come close enough to blow them all up. What was also nice was that the bad guys were disposed of very quickly. There were no magical getaways where they slip out from the fifth floor of a building in five seconds. Each met his maker very quickly. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/52 "2008-11-26T04:06:15Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > Still, I did enjoy the scene where he got the soldiers to come close enough to blow them all up. Mickey Rooney in [The Bridges at Toko Ri.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046806/) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Tof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tof)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/53 "2008-11-26T05:24:23Z")
Just managed to see it today. I thought it was good. It didn’t get me super ramped for the season any more or less than I already was (I admit- I would be looking forward to the season anyway) but it has me of the mind to think that it won’t blow to the degree of last season. I thought they actually burned his ear not his cheek- and he did have burn marks on his ear. Although, my friends and I have all joked that beyond being super bad-ass… Jack Bauer is also a superhero. His ability is to heal amazingly quickly. Oh, he may limp for an hour or so… but that would only be while his limb grew back. It’s just something that you have to accept within the world of 24. I’ll be curious to see if Almeda retains his superhero ability to get anywhere within a city in 5 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/54 "2008-11-26T05:49:20Z")
> [@The\_Tof](#): > > Jack Bauer is also a superhero. His ability is to heal amazingly quickly. Hmmm… Say, does anyone know if Jack has ever been a cheerleader? ---
**Author:** ![Jillyvn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecb155/32.png) [@Jillyvn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jillyvn)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/55 "2008-11-26T08:40:48Z")
> [@Szlater](#): > > I like the fact that the writers are still proudly displaying their rightwing credentials by making the UN aid worker a selfish prick. Gotta get the digs into the liberals somehow. I read this more as a not-so-subtle commentary on the Rwandan genocide? It seemed the comparasions between this African nation and the Rwandan genocide were quite blatant - cockaroaches, machetes etc… ---
**Author:** ![Whiteknight](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whiteknight/32/4962_2.png) [@Whiteknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whiteknight)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/56 "2008-11-26T13:57:53Z")
> [@Roadfood](#): > > My problem with that bit: Do they really make anti-personnel mines where stepping on it presses some sort of switch down but does nothing, and the mine only explodes when the switch goes back UP? Indeed they [do](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouncing_Betty). ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2008, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/57 "2008-11-26T14:49:11Z")
I want Jack to call someone a cock-a-roach before he kills them this season. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/58 "2008-11-30T03:56:23Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > I want Jack to call someone a cock-a-roach before he kills them this season. Or milliyuns of cock-a-roaches will die! Hmm. I finally watched it and enjoyed it quite a bit, though I kinda wanted to yell at Willie and wondered what horrible fate was in store for UN guy. Was the dead finance guy/friend of new first son the same actor who played God on Joan of Arcadia? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/59 "2008-12-04T04:41:34Z")
> [@Whiteknight](#): > > Indeed they [do](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouncing_Betty). Actually, that link (to the “Bouncing Betty”) doesn’t say that this mine works in that way. Both of the linked sub-types say that the trigger is caused by the initial pressure, not by stepping off it. The primary characteristic of the “Bouncing Betty”, according to your link, is that it propels up to groin height before discharging its main explosion. (Interestingly, I recall seeing this type used in a James Bond movie I watched recently – it was “Die Another Day”, I believe). The first subtype (the [S-mine](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-mine) link) actually says this in the article: > [@](#): > > A common misconception about the S-mine is that it would not detonate until its victim stepped off the trigger. This fallacy was propagated by incorrect United States propaganda during World War II. The mine would detonate whether the trigger was released or not. The other subtype article ([M16 mine](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_mine)) says when it’s triggered, it ignites a pyrotechnic delay, to allow the victim time to move past it – but from the description, it’s going to detonate whether you step off it or not. I’m not saying there’s no such mine as the one that was asked about (I don’t know) – it just doesn’t appear to be these that you linked. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159/60 "2008-12-04T04:44:46Z")
> [@The\_Tof](#): > > I thought they actually burned his ear not his cheek- and he did have burn marks on his ear. Although, my friends and I have all joked that beyond being super bad-ass.. Jack Bauer is also a superhero. His ability is to heal amazingly quickly. Oh, he may limp for an hour or so… but that would only be while his limb grew back. Exactly! We’re talking about the guy who had a metal rod/shard impaled in his leg after surviving a plane crash. He just yanked it out, limped for a few minutes, and then was off and running again. He’s also already endured acid scalpel and “beroglide” injection. A little hot machete to the face is just his standard morning fare. 'Tis but a scratch! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-redemption/474159.md?page=4)