# "24" Season 2, Episode 11 - 6:00 p.m. - 7:00 p.m. (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2003, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628 "2003-02-04T01:48:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![c\_goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/41 "2003-02-05T15:13:12Z")
I don’t understand why Stanton is (apparently) protecting Sherry. Unless he thinks he can somehow turn this torture to his advantage. I think Kim could have easily gotten out of that trap, I’ll have to review the tape, but it looked like she could have just pushed the loop back to make the hole bigger and slip her foot out. Although she is dumb enough to not figure it out and just keep pulling at it. Anyway, I was laughing at that scene because the Kim story keeps getting more and more ridiculous. I too was rooting for the furry kitty. I thought it was pretty obvious that the burning man wasn’t Sayed Ali. Seems like a pretty standard technique, dress someone in your clothes and burn them beyond recognition, I’m surprised Jack didn’t assume that was the case from the start. Though he’s probably just tired. Finally, what’s up with them showing spoilers of more than next episode. I accidentally saw some things while innocently watching another show (not even on FOX) that didn’t happen in this episode: [spoiler]1) I know I saw Sayed Ali being held by agents with some sort of a bit in his mouth (probably to stop him from swallowing a cyanide capsule). That’s also why I knew that the burning man wasn’t him. 1. I saw Kate (or was it Marie), possibly at CTU headquarters, saying something like: “You’ll never find it, we’re all going to die!”.[/spoiler] Anyway, I wish they wouldn’t show anything from the next episode (or later) in the commercials for the show. The ads should show what happened in the last episode if they’re trying to get new people to watch. The scenes from next episode are fine at the end of the show though, since we know they’re there. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/42 "2003-02-05T15:24:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BobT \* > \*\*Just how does the CTU get the blueprints of EVERY building in Greater Los Angeles? > > I would think the City of LA would be hard pressed to find the blueprints of any building that it had to issue a permit for. \*\* Excellent point, BobT! But I was wondering just how White Bread Jack knew EXACTLY how much longer the Moslem prayer service would last. 17minutes. . . 10 minutes. . . he almost counted down the seconds to the end! ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/43 "2003-02-05T15:26:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MEBuckner \* > \*\* > You just know the kitty’s gonna pounce on her, she’ll be knocked down and roll down a hillside, hit her head… > > And develop amnesia. It probably runs in the family. > > \*\* This would be AFTER she chews off her foot to get out of the trap, right? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/44 "2003-02-05T15:45:13Z")
Okay, the Fox site now has the summary up from this one, which helps clear up a few things about the locker, the trigger, and the lackeys. Marko (Locker Boy) is one of the dead lackeys. Basheer is the other. The third lackey – The Lackey Who Lived[sup]TM[/sup] – is Omar. He has the van. Apparently he was able to get in contact with Sayed Ali, because Sayed tells Marie on the phone that the two are dead, and Omar is all that’s left. The trigger was in Marko’s locker, which Marko obviously cannot retrieve now because he is Ant Food. The question I still have is whether the bomb is actually in the van, or somewhere else. The phone call seemed to indicate to me that the Three Lackeys were supposed to deliver the trigger. But then nothing would have been in the van when it blew out a tire, and they were sure secretive about the van. That would make me think that something important IS in the van – so my guess is that yes, this is where the bomb is. And Marie simply needs to retrieve the trigger because Marko is dead (and had the locker key). > [@](#): > > from _c\_goat_ > I don’t understand why Stanton is (apparently) protecting Sherry. Unless he thinks he can somehow turn this torture to his advantage. Well, presumably she and Stanton are together in come kind of plan where they both come out winning big in the end, and remember that Sherry urges him (in her little secret phone call) to “stay the course”, and that he’ll get everything he wanted in the end. Of course, somebody suggested that perhaps Sherry is just using Stanton and then sacrificing him, and I could see that, too. In fact, there are a couple of possibilities that occurred: 1. Perhaps she really IS trying to get in good with the Prez, and is doing the whole double-agent thing on the baddies. 2. Perhaps she is in cahoots with Novick, who seems to be the _closest_ advisor to the Prez. Remember that Novick, in this episode, convinces the Prez to take action against Stanton, up the stakes (i.e. implying interrogation means that are beyond the norm), and deal with the ramifications later. What if THIS is one part of Sherry’s plan? To publicly reveal the Prez using **torture** to extract information and get him impeached. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/45 "2003-02-05T15:50:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by annieclaus \* > \*\*Excellent point, BobT! But I was wondering just how White Bread Jack knew EXACTLY how much longer the Moslem prayer service would last. 17minutes. . . 10 minutes. . . he almost counted down the seconds to the end! \*\* Remember, Jack used to be the **head** of CTU – the Counter Terrorist Unit. He is not so “White Bread”. I would think that he is going to have a lot of knowledge about the cultures and practices of terrorists that come from foreign countries and religions. I find it very believable that he would know when Moslem prayer time is, and how long it lasts. Most often, terrorists from the Middle East are doing it in the name of Allah. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/46 "2003-02-05T16:49:59Z")
I’m starting to more and more distrust Novick, which is a pity cause I like him. Likewise I feel they are going to swerve us all and make Sherry into a face before this is all over. I don’t care if she cuts the blue wire with 2 seconds left on the bomb, I’m still going to hate her! ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/47 "2003-02-05T17:55:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > \*\*BTW, what happened to the truck? The last I remember it was parked in the street, perhaps in front of the Warner house. I’m beginning to think the bomb was to be assembled at the wedding. > > Can someone refresh my memory about the truck incident? There were 3 guys in the truck, right? Two are dead, right? Leaving the third to report what happened to Sayid, right? Dang my non-photographic memory! \*\* Last we saw the truck, two of the lackeys had killed each other after one had second thoughts about nuking L.A. That left the third one (Omar, apparently) looking around with a “Oh, shit, now what?!?” ezpression on his face. They were somewhere in downtown L.A.; it was right after the Kindly Pool Guy had helped them change the flat tire. They weren’t at the Warner house. It does all make you wonder about the wedding, though. Was Marie going to go through with the wedding, knowing that Ali was going to nuke the city? And she offed Reza so callously. Was she planning on running out on the wedding, to be with Ali at some point, like when the bomb went off? It looks like she didn’t really love Reza at all. I hope they explain that, rather than leave it hanging. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/48 "2003-02-05T18:25:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by annieclaus \* > \*\*Excellent point, BobT! But I was wondering just how White Bread Jack knew EXACTLY how much longer the Moslem prayer service would last. 17minutes. . . 10 minutes. . . he almost counted down the seconds to the end! \*\* These apparently are Moslem prayer services that are rigorously timed. Perhaps I should convert to Islam from Catholicism, because we never know exactly when the priest is going to finish Mass. I can see Jack Bauer waiting outside a Catholic Church, “Dammit, there’s an extra 10 people wanting Communion. And 5 of them want to drink the wine! But now 8 of them are skipping out after Communion! Wait, is that an usher! What’s he got in his hands! Are those donuts? Look out he’s got a cruller! GO GO GO!” ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/49 "2003-02-05T19:14:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BiblioCat \* > \*\*And she offed Reza so callously. \*\* Well, she _did_ shed a tear, and said “Reza, you really are very sweet.” right before she shot him. Of course, if her plan was to help Ali nuke the city, then certainly Reza would have died in the blast, too – and since that was in the original plan, what did she care how he died? The bitch! I’m now thinking that you are right – that perhaps the bomb was going to be set off at the wedding. Since Marie was helping, there would have been some task she was slated to do (besides the last minute locker retrieval). I think the van was going to be heading to the wedding – one among many delivery vans present. ---
**Author:** ![yawndave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/43a26b/32.png) [@yawndave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yawndave)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/50 "2003-02-05T19:27:35Z")
> [@](#): > > A mountain lion? Maybe next she could be abducted by space aliens. One scriptwriter to another: “Hey, let’s have her encounter a mountain lion, and then have her do **exactly the opposite** of what she should!” Common wisdom is that you should NEVER run from a cougar–the best defense is to face it and make yourself appear as large as possible. Running away just triggers the attack instinct. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/51 "2003-02-05T19:38:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monstre \* > \*\*Of course, if her plan was to help Ali nuke the city, then certainly Reza would have died in the blast, too – and since that was in the original plan, what did she care how he died? The bitch! \*\* But do you think she and Ali planned to die for their cause or did they plan to hightail it outta there, and avoid the bomb? ---
**Author:** ![c\_goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/52 "2003-02-05T19:57:03Z")
Hmm, maybe the bomb going off at her wedding was to make her officially dead, then she could run off with Ali, who is apparently also trying to appear dead without actually being dead. Then they live happily ever after. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/53 "2003-02-05T21:02:30Z")
Good point, \*\* c\_goat.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/54 "2003-02-05T21:35:17Z")
When sis was coming on to the foreman, trying to get the keys to the locker, I was so hoping the foreman would say, “forget about it bitch, I’m gay.” And I am sure Jack will have a Collie sniffing his crotch next episode and say, “what Lassie? Kim gnawed off her foot and fell into a well? Lead me there…” ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/55 "2003-02-05T22:42:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yawndave \* > \*\*Common wisdom is that you should NEVER run from a cougar–the best defense is to face it and make yourself appear as large as possible. Running away just triggers the attack instinct. \*\* Not that common. I know that for some bigass animals, you run like hell, some you don’t look in the eye, and some you stand up to. Which is which, I have no idea. Probably less so if I grew up in urban Los Angeles. One thing I thought of- Kim was whining to Jack on the plane on a cell phone, right? I assume the cops took that away from her? (I hope.) ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/56 "2003-02-05T22:47:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yawndave \* > \*\*Common wisdom is that you should NEVER run from a cougar–the best defense is to face it and make yourself appear as large as possible. Running away just triggers the attack instinct. \*\* Not that common. I know that for some bigass animals, you run like hell, some you don’t look in the eye, and some you stand up to. Which is which, I have no idea. Probably less so if I grew up in urban Los Angeles. One thing I thought of- Kim was whining to Jack on the plane on a cell phone, right? I assume the cops took that away from her? (I hope.) ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/57 "2003-02-05T23:47:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Troy McClure SF \* > \*\*Not that common. I know that for some bigass animals, you run like hell, some you don’t look in the eye, and some you stand up to. Which is which, I have no idea. Probably less so if I grew up in urban Los Angeles. > > One thing I thought of- Kim was whining to Jack on the plane on a cell phone, right? I assume the cops took that away from her? (I hope.) \*\* No, not common knowledge , IMHO. I would have run away from the mountain lion, too. Although, if it was me, I would have stayed close to the road, but out of sight, and run towards a town. She was just running pell-mell into the woods. Stupid. And I think she left _her_ cell phone at the Abusive Dad’s house. I know there was a Meaningful Lingering Shot of it on the desk way back when she and Megan ran out. Maybe she was using Miguel’s phone when she was talking to Jack on the plane, and being routed through CTU? Or was that when she was still at the police station? ---
**Author:** ![rsvp9146](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rsvp9146](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsvp9146)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/58 "2003-02-06T00:07:30Z")
Can anyone tell me what was in the previews for next week? Here in L.A. they cut to a car chase (some idiot going 35MPH for two hours) Also too, I missed episode 10. Is Nina dead? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/59 "2003-02-06T00:12:59Z")
Nina is not dead…yet. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628/60 "2003-02-06T00:25:21Z")
What I remember of the previews: Sayid is captured alive. Terrorist sister calls meddling sister and tells her something like “yeah, I killed him. We all must do what we have to for the cause” or something similar. There was more, I just don’t remember. Nina was shot, but only in the shoulder. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-11-6-00-p-m-7-00-p-m-spoilers/152628.md?page=4)