# "24" Season 2, Episode 12 - 7:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 11, 2003, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255 "2003-02-11T01:48:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/101 "2003-02-14T22:00:35Z")
I believe **Max** is correct. Jack didn’t initiate the call to the pres. But this leads me to some further speculation…since I think the CoS is a bad guy. It’s possible Mike actually knew Jack didn’t intend to kill the kid, but was just trying to fuck up Jack’s plan by making the president think he was going to. Wasn’t Mike the one who was earlier urging Palmer to start making first strike plans on whatever country was supposedly sponsoring this? I think he wants an incident for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/102 "2003-02-14T22:26:43Z")
> [@](#): > > He didn’t ask the prez. Prez caught wind of what he thought Jack was about to do and called to say don’t do it. I need to watch the episode again, that wasn’t what I took from it. It seems the CoS said “Jack wants to . . .” not “Jack is about to . . . should we stop him”. I think that Jack was waiting for a green light before doing it. I think he was going to kill the kid if he had to. If the Pres had said go ahead, I’m pretty sure he would have. The worst part is, I wouldn’t hate him for it. If someone was poised to kill my child I would not have to much trouble taking a gun to their kids head and saying “You want to rethink that?”. It is a REALLY greay area, and I think Jack is fucked up enough to have a kid iced to save the city of Los Angeles (provided he had the support of the Pres). DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2003, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/103 "2003-02-15T06:56:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hightechburrito \* > \*\*Much less fun fact #3: Mason was in an early episode of The X-Files. The one where they go to Alaska with the mealworms that make you crazy. \*\* Hey, a light’s turning on. Was Mason the dude in the San Diego Chargers hat that was always listening to a tape of the playoff game they win in overtime? ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2003, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/104 "2003-02-15T09:06:12Z")
I have to wonder if Stanton (I guess that’s his name; the old guy who’s getting electrocuted) is really a good guy too, a mole to ferret out the ex-wife and the chief-of-staff. And either the torture is faked, or else since Stanton “knows the drill,” he’s able to withstand the texture. Seems like a pretty far-fetched plan, though… and too many elaborate video tricks for one 24-hour period. Another slightly fun fact: Mason was also in the movie _Straight to Hell_ with Joe Strummer, Elvis Costello, Courtney Love, and the Pogues. ---
**Author:** ![av8rmike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@av8rmike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/av8rmike)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2003, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/105 "2003-02-15T15:12:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ElwoodCuse \* > \*\*Hey, a light’s turning on. Was Mason the dude in the San Diego Chargers hat that was always listening to a tape of the playoff game they win in overtime? \*\* Wrong one. Berkeley was in a first-season ep called _Ice_, co-starred with Felicity Huffman of “Sports Night” fame. The one you’re referring to is (I think) _Firewalker_ with Bradley Whitford of “West Wing” as a crazed scientist living near a volcano. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2003, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/106 "2003-02-15T16:57:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by dalovindj \* > **I think he was going to kill the kid if he had to. If the Pres had said go ahead, I’m pretty sure he would have. > \ > It is a REALLY greay area, and I think Jack is fucked up enough to have a kid iced to save the city of Los Angeles.** Hmm. Just my opinion, of course, but I am firmly in the camp of “Jack never had any intention of killing Ali’s family.” As I said before, he’s a Badass, but he’s not cruel and he’s not mean. He knows killing an innocent child would make him no better than Ali. I think it was all a set-up from the beginning, and that’s why he didn’t tell Palmer about what he was doing, and that’s why Stanton went to Palmer and told him what was going on. Obviously, not everyone would know it was faked, and would think “Good Lord, Jack’s lost it, he’s gonna kill a little kid!” and would try to stop him. The fewer people who knew it was fake, and who knew what was going on, the better. Jack also intentionally let Kate see the family getting up so she would know he wasn’t a raving lunatic. If she thought he was a loose cannon, she wouldn’t help him anymore. I think Jack would kill Ali without a second thought, though, once they find the bomb. ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/107 "2003-02-16T06:43:58Z")
**av8rmike** : I’ve got the right episode but the wrong guy. [http://www.insidethex.co.uk/pdf/scrp107.pdf](http://www.insidethex.co.uk/pdf/scrp107.pdf) BTW, Mason was on “The A-Team”! Twice! As different people! I think he’s now officially my favorite 24 character. ---
**Author:** ![av8rmike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@av8rmike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/av8rmike)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/108 "2003-02-16T15:50:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ElwoodCuse \* > **av8rmike: I’ve got the right episode but the wrong guy.** Quite right. I had same insanity, wrong temperature extreme. _That_ guy, listening to the playoff game, was none other than Steve Hytner, Kenny Bania of “Seinfeld” fame. We now return you to the next level up in the hijack, the Xander Berkeley Appreciation Thread. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/109 "2003-02-16T22:03:38Z")
Does anybody else cringe when Kiefer Sutherland as Jack Bauer announces "There’s a nuke-YOU-ler device somewhere. . . " in the promo for Tuesday’s episode? He said it before, now he’s saying it again. If he’s such a smart guy that he knows exactly where Sayed Ali’s family hangs out and exactly when the Muslim service ends, why doesn’t he know how to say nuke-LEE-er??? ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2003, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/110 "2003-02-16T22:46:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by annieclaus \* > \*\*Does anybody else cringe when Kiefer Sutherland as Jack Bauer announces "There’s a nuke-YOU-ler device somewhere. . . " in the promo for Tuesday’s episode? \*\* YES!!! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/111 "2003-02-17T00:17:17Z")
I’d be more annoyed if he were pronouncing it “nuke-LEE-er” instead of “NU-klee-er” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2003, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255/112 "2003-02-17T03:22:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by annieclaus \* > **Does anybody else cringe when Kiefer Sutherland as Jack Bauer announces "There’s a nuke-YOU-ler device somewhere. . . " in the promo for Tuesday’s episode?** Yes, and that irritated me when I saw it, because he’s said “nuclear” many times before in earlier episodes, and I can’t remember him saying it wrong until now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-12-7-00-p-m-8-00-p-m-spoilers/154255.md?page=5)