# "24" Season 2, Episode 22 - 5:00 a.m. - 6:00 a.m. (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 6, 2003, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306 "2003-05-06T01:42:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Lux\_Interior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@Lux\_Interior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lux_Interior)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/81 "2003-05-08T11:47:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FallenAngel \* > \*\*Kim followed both major rules for a gunfight. Rule 1: Have a gun. Rule 2: Claim self-defense and leave no witnesses. \*\* Yeah, I would expect Dim to show up at a gunfight with a knife. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Richard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f0a364/32.png) [@Richard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/82 "2003-05-08T14:26:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BiblioCat \* > Bob T said: > I also think that Kim hit Evil Dad with a circular saw. > > I would have sworn it was a ski boot. Wasnā€™t it a ski boot? > šŸ˜• I went back and looked at it in single-frame. It was very dark and fuzzy, but it looks more like a circular saw. ---
**Author:** ![Zazie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Zazie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zazie)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/83 "2003-05-08T14:30:48Z")
I saw a drill! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/84 "2003-05-08T14:41:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FallenAngel \* > \*\*Even in a retreat state (and here Iā€™ll note that IANAL) I think Kim would not be guilty of anything, since she did have her back to a wall, the assailant was between her and the only means of exit and he was starting to come toward her. \*\* The plausibility of her retreating would basically be a factual matter for the jury. The prosecution would argue that the assailant was dazed, probably injured, prone on the ground, and disarmed; that Kim held a gun that could keep the assailant at bay; and that the door was not far away. The defense would say exactly what you just said. The argument could go either way. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/85 "2003-05-08T16:26:24Z")
All this conversation about Kimā€™s legal status is interesting, but purely academic. With Jack Bauerā€™s connections, thereā€™s no way Kim will ever be indicted, let alone put on trial. Hell, once Palmer gets reinstated, heā€™ll probably offer Jackā€™s daughter a presidential pardon out of gratitude! ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/86 "2003-05-08T17:09:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Richard \* > \*\*I went back and looked at it in single-frame. It was very dark and fuzzy, but it looks more like a circular saw. \*\* Itā€™s obviously time for me to clean my contacts! ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/87 "2003-05-08T17:29:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Richard \* > \*\*I went back and looked at it in single-frame. It was very dark and fuzzy, but it looks more like a circular saw. \*\* Itā€™s obviously time for me to clean my contacts! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/88 "2003-05-08T19:07:50Z")
Itā€™s too bad that when Jack had Palmer on the phone, he couldnā€™t have told him to ā€œpardonā€ the hacker. The pardon wouldnā€™t be valid since Palmer isnā€™t the pres, and it would make the hacker far more cooperative. Unfortunately, it might also kill some of the contrived drama for next weekā€™s episode so of course they cannot do that. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/89 "2003-05-08T21:19:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by KGS \* > \*\*Hell, once Palmer gets reinstated, heā€™ll probably offer Jackā€™s daughter a presidential pardon out of gratitude! \*\* Palmer couldnā€™t do that, even if he is reinstated. Murder is a state crime. Only the governor of California could pardon Kim. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2003, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/90 "2003-05-10T22:25:01Z")
My house has an attic access ladder exactly like the one in the show. It is not physically possible to pull it up after yourself. Even if you had the superhuman strength to lie on your stomach, put your arms through the hole in the attic floor and wrench the thing off the ground with no leverage whatsoever - how would you fold the bottom parts up? And in normal houses you put the access in a corridor, not in the middle of somebodyā€™s room. Very odd episode. Third from the end and if you think about it, nothing really happened to advance the plot. I will admit that a show where you canā€™t tell what the ending will be even this close to the end is either doing something very right or is so dumb that it is incoherent. I leave the answer as an exercise for the user. As fir Boston Public, one of my beefs against the show (which Iā€™ve stopped watching) is that every teacher in it looks like a Playmate (except, of course, for one sassy fat black woman stereotype). Thereā€™s no way that the women in 24 are better looking. ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2003, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/91 "2003-05-10T23:23:21Z")
Iā€™m waiting for someone to look at his/her watch, notice that itā€™s nearly the top of the hour and say, ā€œI think something dramatic is about to happenā€¦ā€ Would you want to live in the _24_ universe, knowing that some earth-shattering event happens every hour on the hour like clockwork? ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2003, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306/92 "2003-05-11T00:53:31Z")
I also think if the pres is removed, there will be an amount of riots in the streets that make the Draft riots of 1863 (totally omitted in_Gangs of New York_)look like a block party. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-22-5-00-a-m-6-00-a-m-spoilers/173306.md?page=4)