# "24" Season 2, Episode 23 - 6:00 a.m. - 7:00 a.m. (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 13, 2003, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844 "2003-05-13T01:27:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/61 "2003-05-14T18:20:44Z")
Prediction for next season. Kim, having tasted blood, gets to hunt down and kill Nina, her mother’s killer. We may even see Nina escaping custody as a cliffhanger at the end of this season. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/62 "2003-05-14T18:28:31Z")
Ferrous: I agree about the deal with Michelle and Tony. I only offered teh busted door scenario as somewhat of an explanation. Not a good one, but hey, we’re talking _24_ here, remember? This would he a great plot twist: Turkey turns out to **be** one the the Middle East countries we’re bombing.🙂 That would resolve the time issue. Cliff hanger ending seems 95% certain to me. People will complain, but they’ll still watch _48_ next season. ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/63 "2003-05-14T18:37:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by randwill \* > \*\*Prediction for next season. Kim, having tasted blood, gets to hunt down and kill Nina, her mother’s killer. We may even see Nina escaping custody as a cliffhanger at the end of this season. \*\* Ooooh! I _like_ that idea!🆒 ---
**Author:** ![quixotic78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3ab097/32.png) [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/64 "2003-05-14T18:46:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ferrous \* > **I still think CTU wouldn’t lock Tony and Michelle together. So one of the holding rooms has a busted door; they don’t have a storage closet or an empty office somewhere they could use?** Maybe they want the two to talk it over, so they can eavesdrop on them. Isn’t that what they did to Resa and Pop Warner way back when? (Whatever happened to Bob, anyway?) And as far as the tunnel that Sound Nerd ran through, I thought it was some sort of giant crawl space. Not that those are common or anything, but then again, how common are lofts with secret rooms? Quix ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/65 "2003-05-14T18:59:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by quixotic78 \* > \*\*Maybe they want the two to talk it over, so they can eavesdrop on them. Isn’t that what they did to Resa and Pop Warner way back when? (Whatever happened to Bob, anyway?) > \*\* No, my other two nitpicks got shot down, I’m sticking by this one. If the room were bugged, surely Tony and Michelle would know. Actually, the room almost certainly _would_ be bugged… So pick your problem with that scene: A. Tony and Michelle shouldn’t have been locked up together. B. The room should have been bugged, but wasn’t. C. The room was bugged, but Tony and Michelle were bafflingly unaware of it. Wait! I thought of a way around it. Maybe the sound system in that room was out due to the bomb. Tony and/or Michelle knew it, but the new guys from Division didn’t. So they locked them up together hoping to spy on them. But T&M knew they were safe. There, now I feel better. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zazie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Zazie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zazie)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/66 "2003-05-14T19:02:51Z")
My hubby thinks Kate is bad, he is convinced. I think Michele is bad, although the more it goes the more I think I am wrong… I am a little pissed about this season not coming to a “clean” end… ---
**Author:** ![Richard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f0a364/32.png) [@Richard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/67 "2003-05-14T19:08:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ferrous \* > \*\*No, my other two nitpicks got shot down, I’m sticking by this one. If the room were bugged, surely Tony and Michelle would know. Actually, the room almost certainly _would_ be bugged… > > \*\* Actually, while they were talking, they showed a quick shot of a camera up in the corner, and it appeared that they were looking at it. Also, I don’t think either Kate or Michelle is evil, but then I’m just a cockeyed optimist. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/68 "2003-05-14T19:19:20Z")
There was a camera in the holding room. I’m guessing that they can see and hear them. I’m guessing they don’t care. It’s not like they need confessions. Knocking out your CO is a no-no. They are in deep shit. Only a presidential pardon will save them now. Fortunately, the Pres is a main character. Predictions for next show: - I’m guessing the VP is in on the WHOLE thing with Sherry from the start. Just like Stanton, who took one for the team (meaning some torture he took so the evil team can triumph). - Industrialists are connected to the Draden family. - Nina isn’t even a factor. I lose 5 dollars and she lives another season. - Kim and Kate live. - The bitch at CTU gets killed. Perhaps when she finally realizes she is fighting for the wrong team and trys to help Jack. - The higher ups at CTU/Division are in on the whole thing as well. Jack finds out and kills a couple and arrests a few others. - Kingsley gets his throat ripped out by Jack. - Pres’s ex-wife lives and cuts a deal to stay out of jail. - Jack averts the war, gets the proof, and is re-instated as head of CTU. DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![barking\_frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@barking\_frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barking_frog)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/69 "2003-05-14T19:26:43Z")
Just one more note: perhaps Palmer lying to the Turkish PM will come back to haunt him, if/when the Cypress recordings prove to be fake? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/70 "2003-05-14T20:02:45Z")
My prediction is that Sherry is wearing a wire and the higher-ups at CTU aren’t really in on the conspiracy and wind up busting in at the Coliseum to save her ass, and in the process Jack’s. ---
**Author:** ![c\_goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/71 "2003-05-14T21:51:45Z")
I don’t think Jack will kill Kingsley, he needs him to stop the war. Maybe he’ll offer him immunity instead of death to turn on Rich Boat Guy. Then he’ll cut his head off at the beginning of next season and use it to infiltrate Rich Boat Guy’s operation. ---
**Author:** ![Nightime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Nightime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightime)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/72 "2003-05-14T22:21:30Z")
I actually liked this last episode a lot. The only concern is how they can possibly finish this with only one more episode. It will require a huge twist, but they may be able to pull it off. Maybe Rich Boat Guy’s real plan is to ruin Kingsley, and all Kingsley’s men will let him be caught by Jack. Otherwise, I can’t see Jack taking Kingsley in his condition. Maybe the ex-president, on finding out more about Kingsley, will be able to turn Kingsley’s allies against him. Or maybe Palmer will come up with proof on his own, even if Jack fails to bring in Kingsley. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/73 "2003-05-14T23:04:23Z")
I predict that Jack’s recovery from this latest heart attack is going to be complicated by the owner of the shopping cart he made a beeline for and utterly destroyed as he slipped into unconsciousness taking it personally and hitting him upside the head with a wine bottle. What? ---
**Author:** ![Saxman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Saxman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saxman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2003, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/74 "2003-05-14T23:12:57Z")
What the heck was the whole point of the subplot with the Turkish PM? Is it to put Palmer in further trouble down the line when it comes out he was “impersonating” the president? It’s sucks – Palmer had this whole “cat who swallowed the canary” look on his face the entire time Mike was squirming, and as he was lead into the teleconference…and he just goes and does exactly what he was asked? Sheesh. We already KNEW David is an honorable man, they didn’t need to pad out the episode with more of the obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/75 "2003-05-15T01:37:58Z")
> [@](#): > > from _MaxCarnage_ > Is it me or was it terribly out of character for Palmer to have caved to Prescott’s request to lie to the Turkish PM just to save the crews of 3 planes Yeah – I was really waiting with anticipation to hear Palmer tell Mike to go f\*\*\* himself (in allowable primetime wording, of course)… > [@](#): > > from _Ferrous_ > Um…yeah, but…oh, okay. Still, it would have been a good idea to leave someone watching the place in case he comes back. That’s what the cops would do. Actually, it’s not – they certainly didn’t leave somebody watching EvilDad’s place in case he showed up there. (They just had that idiot cop hang out by the car and send Kim in alone). As for the theories on Kate being bad – I don’t see it that way. I say **Pablito** is right. At first, I think the tension between Kim and Kate is mostly due to Kim being somewhat still in shock and not knowing for sure who Kate is – she was probably expecting a cop or a CTU agent. Kim doesn’t know that Tony and Michelle are the only ones in CTU still on Jack’s side at the moment. After that, Kim is still a little uneasy – but I think she’s experiencing feelings of “hey, you’d better not try to replace my mother, especially since you just met daddy today” thing. And will somebody please put a f\*\*\*ing bullet in Tattletale girl’s head, please!!! Damn, I’m sick of her little smirking face… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/76 "2003-05-15T01:51:36Z")
"will somebody please put a f\*\*\*ing bullet in Tattletale girl’s head, please??!! " Let’s see what happens if she rats on Jack! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/77 "2003-05-15T01:53:18Z")
Excuse me. That should’ve been **tries** to rat on Jack. She’d have a bullet in her head before she finished 3 words. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/78 "2003-05-15T03:09:01Z")
Okay, let’s pretend we’re 24 writers, and have to write next week’s show and leave a cliffhanger for the next season. A couple of things stand out to me - 1. The whole ‘CTU lockdown, followed by a power struggle’ thing is getting old. I think that source of drama is about used up. 2. It’s going to be tough to come up with yet another excuse for a wild 24 hours if it’s set months or years in the future. How do you top atomic bombs and world war? 3. It’s getting increasingly difficult to get Kim into trouble in plausible ways. 4. We haven’t seen Nina for a while, yet something was up with Jack’s whisper and all that. Plus, she’s been given immunity. So how about this for an ending: Jack and Sherry have crashed. Kate and Kim stop to pick them up. They head to the showdown with Kingsley. Sherry sacrifices herself in some grand way and dies. This allows Jack and Kate to get away. However, Kim gets kidnapped and hauled away. It turns out that the people behind this are the same faceless foreigners that were behind the Drazens last year. The ones Nina is working for. They grab Kim, and haul her out of the country. Jack has to go after them, but he needs Nina. In the meantime, the plot is made public, Palmer stands in as President again, and Jack gets a military airlift overseas. Series ends with Jack sleeping on a plane, perhaps being attended by doctors. Kim is in the hands of a shadowy foreign government, Nina is sitting across the aisle looking like she’s ready to kill Jack. This sets up next season perfectly - Jack gets a solid 12 hours of sleep or more. Kim is in the hands of the bad guys, and the whole season gets played out in a foreign country. That would add a nice twist to the format, and prevent cliches from developing further. It would give the writers lots of plausible ways to involve Kim in the action, and once out of the U.S. Nina could get loose and become a factor again. Not sure about Kate. Perhaps they have to take her sister along because of what she knows, and she’ll only deal with Kate. So now we have the Warner siblings along for the ride, and get to set up a nice evil confrontation between Kate and Nina. The problem with this is filming a whole season in a foreign location, which might not be doable, or finding a shooting location in the U.S. that can fake it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/79 "2003-05-15T03:32:40Z")
Sam: I’m assuming that since you have Palmer re-instated, that means the war is off. That leaves the key premise for next season as saving Kim from the kidnapers. I think they need more than that to go on. I need to give some thought to how I’d end this season. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2003, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844/80 "2003-05-15T03:42:04Z")
Well, no. It would be an intelligence mission to discover who is behind this conspiracy. Because it’s not just an American businessman - he’s involved in it with some foreign power, methinks. It’ll turn out that the REAL badguys are some shadowy Europeans looking to get the U.S. involved in a war for their own purposes - perhaps with the intent all along to reveal the deception to the Arabs and suggest that the U.S. fabricated evidence to justify an attack. Now Jack is involved in a worldwide conspiracy with agents from several governments involved. That means this whole season was just the plot opener. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-2-episode-23-6-00-a-m-7-00-a-m-spoilers/174844.md?page=5)