# 24 - Season 3, Episode 24, 12:00PM - 1:00PM \*SEASON FINALE\* (SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 25, 2004, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970 "2004-05-25T11:06:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/41 "2004-05-26T15:09:13Z")
Awesome. This was the best season so far (but the best episode was in Season 1 and involved Jack holding his dead pregnant wife who had earlier been raped and kidnapped). Kieffer killed that ending. I’m glad they did it that way. At first, I too was a little let down that there was no big twist along the lines of Teri or Mandy/Palmer. But the more I think about it, the more I realize that would have been the worst thing to do. People are already complaining that the show has become too predictable. M. Night Shamalayan is dealing with the problem that everyone expects a big surprise ending in his movies. The problem is that a surprise you are expecting is kind of hard hard to keep, well, surprising. As proved this year, _24_ doesn’t handle cliffhanger resolutions very well. A cliffhanger is rough to resolve in this format. They can’t really do one day after another (_48_) - it would be too far-fetched (even for this show) IMO. No, a quiet ending was perfect. It really has been a rough day. Traditionally, you expect that you will feel good when the hero’s win in the end. In this show all you can do is feel like you’ve finally seen something brutal come to an end. There is no triumph here. Millions of people were saved, and that is the win, but it feels so bittersweet at those prices. Jack really shoud have mentioned a pardon for Tony. I was surprised about that one. It would have been easy to throw in there. Otherwise, I liked that phone call alot. Jack’s line - “There were _alot_ of sacrifices made today.” got us trying to list off all of the sacrifces. Remember - badguy deaths/injuries don’t count. Here is the list I can do off the top of my head: **Sacrifices:** Chapelle - his life Claudia - her life Chase - His hand Gael - His life Gael’s Wife - Her freedom Tony - His freedom and a good chunk of his neck Michelle - her Husband The Hotel (Special shout out to the manager -well done) - Hundreds of lives LA Infection - Thousands of lives The Delta team - their lives The guard at the prison (bullet to the head, self inflicted in a game of russian roulette) Nina’s guard’s and doctor - their lives The cops at the subway - their lives Carjack victim - his life Asian cop at Amadour’s club Jack - His soul Now, about Chase. I swear this kid cracks me up. When he went into the lab he heard the fish tank bubbling and then turned and stared at the thing like a deer caught in the headlights. Hand outstretched, he was like “Oooohhh! Fishies!!! Ahhhhhh . . .” It was the same with Nina in Mexico. She put a flashlight on the ground and he just walked straight toward it like a moth to the flame. Come on Chase, pay attention! But, I’ve got to hand it to the kid, he’s a cut above the rest. He handled everything really well. He’s learned to keep an arm’s length from his job. He broke protocol today, but managed not to get the axe at CTU. He’s keeping Kim, so he can finger her and she can give him hand-jobs - high five! And a desk-job at CTU isn’t so bad - a position like like that makes sure that one never has idle hands. And even though Jack will lose his right-hand man, I’m sure that with a little rest, they’ll both be able to get a grip on their lives. And there was definitely a shot of the fridge earlier. I thought to myself at the time “He really shouldn’t be in the Teacher’s Lounge”. How about the look on his face when he almost shot a bunch of kids! Ha! Do your homework boys and girls, or Hacksaw will shoot you where you sit! _24_, you done me right again. . . DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/42 "2004-05-26T15:26:44Z")
> [@dalovindj](#): > > Come on Chase, pay attention! But, I’ve got to hand it to the kid, he’s a cut above the rest. He handled everything really well. He’s learned to keep an arm’s length from his job. He broke protocol today, **but managed not to get the axe at CTU.** :eek: ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/43 "2004-05-26T15:32:39Z")
The first thing I said when Chase got the axe was “So much for not getting detached . . .” Nice little bit of foreshadowing on the writer part there . . . ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/44 "2004-05-26T15:51:35Z")
> [@av8rmike](#): > > So the show’s been renewed? Seriously, what are its chances for lasting the entire length of the season? Somewhere very close to 100%. ---
**Author:** ![yellowcakesolid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cdc98d/32.png) [@yellowcakesolid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowcakesolid)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/45 "2004-05-26T16:10:47Z")
Well, if you put a deadly virus in our refrigerator at work, you’re only going to make things worse. “Mr. President, a super, hybrid form of deadly virus and moldy cottage cheese is on the phone for you. It wants out of the fridge.” ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/46 "2004-05-26T17:08:26Z")
> [@av8rmike](#): > > How did they get “handy” to a hospital and into surgery in under three minutes? > > I only watched a total of about 4 episodes this entire season, so I had hardly any idea who anybody was. Still, it’s not hard to figure out the plot: stop bad guys from setting off a virus-laden dirty bomb, even if I didn’t know why they were doing it. > > So the show’s been renewed? Seriously, what are its chances for lasting the entire length of the season? How many more times can Kim get kidnapped? How many more boyfriends can she endanger? Aw, come on! To be fair, she didn’t directly endanger Chase except inasmuch as she is the Black Curse of Death in general (but perky. Very perky.), and she didn’t even _know_ about the other guy (that’s always freaked me out!) Chase is (relatively) lucky; at least there’s a chance his hand can be re-attached. BTW, how do–able is that these days? This is the second one of the shows I watch in which that’s been the solution - “Angel” with Spike’s (undead yet!) hands was the first. For the record, the ep where Nina showed back up and they said that she had been given “International Exiled Immunity” was the one where my girlfriend said “That’s it. I’m done!” Actually, it’s become our code word for unlikely plot devices. We just turn to each other and say, “Oh, International Exiled Immunity.” We use it a lot during “Alias”. Frankly, I’m glad to not to have had to listen to her grunt in disgust through all the Palmer shenanigans… ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/47 "2004-05-26T17:26:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Chase is (relatively) lucky; at least there’s a chance his hand can be re-attached. BTW, how do–able is that these days? That’s not really the question. The question is how do–able will it be in 2006. They jumped the show ahead in time, so you can imagine some medical advances. It seems like I read news every day about medical advance in spinal cord injury/regeneration research. Already this type of procedure is [within reach](http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/29/1077989433954.html?from=storyrhs) (are hand puns tired yet?). They can even do [transplants](http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/26/hand.transplant.ap/) as well. I would imagine by 2006 an operation like that would have a pretty good chance. There is talk that next season could involve Jack going to Europe or some other globe trotting. How can he get there (and back) without spending most of the day on planes? Answer: The time jump thing again. If they were to jump ahead another 3 years it would be 2009, and one could imagine a mature [scramjet](http://www.nasa.gov/missions/research/f_scramjets.html) technology (perhaps a military classified plane) that could get him where he needed to go in an hour or so (maybe less). Hell, you could actually give Jack a nap for an episode! DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/48 "2004-05-26T18:11:30Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > The problem was not the spin (ok, it was kind of the spin)…but the problem was that the spin was so stupid. “One woman killed another because she was jealous that her impotent husband with heart problems was having an affair”??? That was his idea? How dumb is that? (Not to mention that Julia would obviously have been moved and his fingerprints were all over her & the crime scene.) Yes, stupider than Billy Beer. > > But then, I’ve hated Palmer’s plot from hour 1…giving him amnesia would have been a better choice. I agree that the spin was stupid, but correct thematically, in the sense that he was grasping at straws, desperate to “spin” it somehow, despite the fact that in reality they were all going to be in deep doo-doo. BTW, this season was exponentiolly worse in it’s “stretching” the decive of 24 hours. I mean think about Jack’s “day” (what I can remember): Plan prison escape and riot, head to Mexico, get involved in botched virus transfer, come back from Mexico, track down bad guy, chase bad guy, get bad guy, chase new bad guy…etc. Chase went to MExico ad got tortured, yet seemed to be ok…at least unitl he lost his hand. Tony got shot in the neck but was up and running around a couple of hours later. Not to mention al the usual magical abilites of people to get from A to B in no time, to set up complicated data transfers (how quickly did they get the subway photo booth setup ad how fast were they getting pictures to CTU). Still, I love the show and eagerly await next season. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/49 "2004-05-26T18:27:14Z")
Not 2006, though, **dalovindj**. That’s not a presidential election year. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/50 "2004-05-26T18:37:02Z")
> [@dalovindj](#): > > Come on Chase, pay attention! But, I’ve got to **hand** it to the kid, he’s a **cut** above the rest. He **handled** everything really well. He’s learned to keep an **arm’s length** from his job. He broke protocol today, but managed not to **get the axe** at CTU. He’s keeping Kim, **so he can finger her and she can give him hand-jobs - high five!** And a desk-job at CTU isn’t so bad - a position like like that makes sure that one never has **idle hands**. And even though Jack will **lose his right-hand man** , I’m sure that with a little rest, they’ll both be able to **get a grip** on their lives. Well played, **dalovindj** , well played. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/51 "2004-05-26T18:39:20Z")
In our world. 24-land is/may be different. According to his license, Kyle Singer was born on November 19, 1987. Since he is referred to as 19 years old, this would place the action around 2006-2007. DaLovin’ DJ ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/52 "2004-05-26T18:43:09Z")
> [@dalovindj](#): > > \(are hand puns tired yet?). \ Jack: Chase, I am your father-in-law. Chase: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Clearly not. I got sucked into this show about five episodes back and now I’m hooked. One question (sorry if this has been done to death): What’s Chloe’s deal? She’s good at her job, but totally incompetent with people. I want to like her, but then she opens her mouth. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/53 "2004-05-26T18:50:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Well played, **dalovindj** , well played. Thanks! I tried to think of morepuns but, ultimately, I got stumped. . . ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/54 "2004-05-26T18:54:21Z")
> [@dalovindj](#): > > …I got stumped… Excellent! C’mon, let’s hear it. Let’s give him a big hand! ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/55 "2004-05-26T19:10:08Z")
> [@](#): > > What’s Chloe’s deal? She’s good at her job, but totally incompetent with people. I want to like her, but then she opens her mouth. You anwered your own question. They never provide a reason for her being like this. My guess is she was repeatedly dropped on her head as a baby. Can’t say I blame her mother . . . ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/56 "2004-05-26T19:17:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Excellent! C’mon, let’s hear it. Let’s give him a big hand! Thanks! All of these compliments are making me feel great. I think as a reward I’ll treat myself to dinner tonight at [The Palm](http://www.thepalm.com/index.cfm?fa=p&pid=1) . . . ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/57 "2004-05-26T19:57:31Z")
Anyone think Palmer may be pushed over the edge into being next season’s baddy? I wouldn’t bet on it, of course, but still… it would continue the character’s arc pretty consistently… As for Chase, I really hope that CTU has a decent severance package… [/obligatory] ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/58 "2004-05-26T19:58:30Z")
Not really related to the show, but this guy had a great line: > [@](#): > > He’s had three real stinkers now, but you know what? I’d take a Jack Bauer bad day, I really would. I’d take the stress, the guns held to my head, the serial kidnapping of my only child, the requirement that I kill innocent people from time to time, the fate of millions in my shaky, heroin-addicted hands. I’d take it all if I could, just for that one day, have the cellphone reception that guy gets. Good closer. I’ve been on & off with the series (mostly for logistical reasons) but I’m glad I came in this year when I did. Here’s waiting for January… ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/59 "2004-05-26T20:48:46Z")
Without Chase, the terrorist and the virus would have escaped. He singlehandedly saved the day. ---
**Author:** ![SilentButDeftly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/0ea827/32.png) [@SilentButDeftly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SilentButDeftly)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2004, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970/60 "2004-05-26T21:35:06Z")
I’m just glad Jack was able to finally accept Chase’s relationship with his daughter and bury the hatchet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-3-episode-24-12-00pm-1-00pm-season-finale-spoilers/246970.md?page=4)