# 24: Season 4: Episode 16 (10:00pm - 11:00pm) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 4, 2005, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731 "2005-04-04T22:02:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/21 "2005-04-05T02:02:15Z")
From the scenes for next week… Yep – Mike Novick is definitely in it. Also, maybe there will be some survivors. Hope the president’s son survives. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/22 "2005-04-05T02:03:30Z")
> [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](#): > > The President’s safety is still up in the air, so I think we can assume he will probably survive. I hope at least that his son survives. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/23 "2005-04-05T02:07:28Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > I hope at least that his son survives. Only the good die young. Kevin is toast. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/24 "2005-04-05T02:13:46Z")
Was it just me, or did the FBI agent that got whacked look like Jack’s first wife? ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/25 "2005-04-05T02:21:04Z")
A little bit though it was mostly the short haircut. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/26 "2005-04-05T02:39:29Z")
Perhaps Anderson is doing it for his sister. Money for some operation his GI insurance wouldn’t pay for. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/27 "2005-04-05T02:56:20Z")
I thought Jack was gonna try the old “We’re gonna ice your sister unless you turn around” gag. ---
**Author:** ![malden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@malden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malden)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/28 "2005-04-05T03:25:23Z")
The exchange between Bauer and the mercenary/terrorist/pilot reminded me of the cold war movie “Fail-Safe,” when the military leaders brought in the errant pilot’s wife. Of course, It didn’t work in the sixties, either. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Love](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Dr.Love](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Love)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/29 "2005-04-05T04:05:04Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > I thought Jack was gonna try the old “We’re gonna ice your sister unless you turn around” gag. I thought the same thing. Has worked well in the past. I’m really getting tired of Maruan constantly getting away. Just capture him already and move on to the next guy up the chain of command. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/30 "2005-04-05T04:05:36Z")
Man, Chloe was so hot in this episode. ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/31 "2005-04-05T04:32:35Z")
This was billed as “The Most Shocking Episode Ever?” Please. It was obvious they were going for Air Force One in the last episode. What would have been shocking is if they _hadn’t_ been going for Air Force One at all. Maybe bomb Canada or something… Ooo, and lot’s of knife snuffings this season! (Jack\>Terrorist\>Back o’ the neck / Jack\>Terrorist\>Three to the chest / FBI agent impostor hottie\>Jack’s bud\>Back o’ the neck) There are probably more that I am missing. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/32 "2005-04-05T05:15:20Z")
So Jack mentions the FBI agent’s name. Then she shows up (with no backup) and gets killed by HotTerrorist, and then Jack calls her cell phone at the right time, and she finds the agent’s ID, and she can pass herself off as an FBI agent instantly, and … She was pretty lucky for a while there. I actually enjoy this aspect of “24”. Makes for quite a chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/33 "2005-04-05T05:21:09Z")
Note to FBI: never send a single agent to a possible terrorist site. How lame was that? Also, note that the hit to AF1 was “inderect”. I assume that means it wasn’t obliterated. Best line of the show: when Tony asks Michelle when she was going to tell him about her new love interest… “Never, because it’s none of your business.” Right on!! I was a bit surprised that the Prez would talk gloom and doom to the VP right in front of his son. Go into the Presidential Bathroom at least…!! Isn’t it amazing how the head honcho terrorist always manages to escape even though everyone else in the buliding is killed or captured. I think CTU needs to rethink their definition of “perimeter”. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/34 "2005-04-05T05:28:15Z")
Great Episode as ususal with a few nitpicks. Let’s stat with: I have seen 1,253,000 cop movies/shows. Whenever a door is unlocked and there are signs of ransackedness; proper procedure is to secure the residence by making sure know one is waiting to pop you. I guess they don’t teach that in FBI School. speaking of: Fake/FBI badass. No way does she fire a gun and Jack an CTU redshirt not smell the amonia like smell from the shots ten minutes later. Still I kind of liked said badass, she should have gotten way more airtime. Oh and while we’re on the subject, what the freakin hell did she do with the body, where was the blood? Chloe is a human being OMG!!! Let’s see there is a hunt for a bad guy going on. Chloe and Edgar are shifting through alll kinds of data looking for correlation with terrorist plots. Meanwhile OSHA calls to say they can’t get Mom’s body out. HELLO! Totally gratuitous, we remember she died, no need to be so heavy handed. You know, whenever someone touches my wife shoulderfrom now on, I’m offing the bastard :dubious: And lastly: I only include the following because, well, it freaking bothers me. Neither the Stealth Bomber nor the Fighter are invisble to radar. What they are are much reduced to radar, the angles and material combine to absorb and bounce radar, so that the resulting signature doesn’t look anythng like the size or shape of a plane. The effect is about the same, but still it bothers me when someone says invisible. ---
**Author:** ![spiralscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@spiralscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spiralscratch)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/35 "2005-04-05T05:40:41Z")
> [@Stuffy](#): > > I only include the following because, well, it freaking bothers me. Neither the Stealth Bomber nor the Fighter are invisble to radar. What they are are much reduced to radar, the angles and material combine to absorb and bounce radar, so that the resulting signature doesn’t look anythng like the size or shape of a plane. The effect is about the same, but still it bothers me when someone says invisible. Also, the stealth fighter was using it’s own radar in order to find AF1. Any of the escort fighters would have been able to detect the radar signal coming from the stealth fighter, home in on it, and take care of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/36 "2005-04-05T07:03:44Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Isn’t it amazing how the head honcho terrorist always manages to escape even though everyone else in the buliding is killed or captured. I think CTU needs to rethink their definition of “perimeter”. “Oh, you meant that we were supposed to actually **surround** the place…? What was I thinking? OH, yeah. Got it mixed up with ‘diameter’ again. That geometry stuff always confused me…” > [@stuffy](#): > > proper procedure is to secure the residence by making sure know one is waiting to pop you. I guess they don’t teach that in FBI School. Well, to her credit, she **did** enter with gun drawn. Problem is, she only secured everything to the **left** of the doorway (relative to her POV). She didn’t bother to point the gun the other way. Maybe she only made it through the first half of that particular FBI training course. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/37 "2005-04-05T07:05:01Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Best line of the show: when Tony asks Michelle when she was going to tell him about her new love interest… “Never, because it’s none of your business.” Right on!! “So, Michelle…” _unhinges jaw again_ “…just how long have you been banging your new boss?” ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/38 "2005-04-05T07:08:54Z")
**Curits** : Let’s see… Things have been pretty busy this last hour, what with Jack leading the attack on Marwan’s hideout and all. But I have this nagging feeling I’m forgetting something I was supposed to do. Hmmm… Was it torture a prisoner? Nope… Torture an employee? Nope… Sleep with another mole? Sounds fun, but it can wait… Oh, I remember! Honor my promise to protect Behrooz! Ah well. Screw that, I’m going on coffee break. The B’ver is on his own. ---
**Author:** ![RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RancidYakButterTeaParty)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/39 "2005-04-05T13:03:57Z")
[QUOTE=Stuffy] Great Episode as ususal with a few nitpicks. Let’s stat with: I have seen 1,253,000 cop movies/shows. Whenever a door is unlocked and there are signs of ransackedness; proper procedure is to secure the residence by making sure know one is waiting to pop you. I guess they don’t teach that in FBI School. QUOTE] FBI Agent: “Yep, just take a quick glance into the first disheveled room I come to, and if no one is sitting on the couch eating a box of popcorn, then the residence must be secure. Just make a quick call to the…Ouch, that hurt, I think someone else might actually be here. Man these terrorists are smart, they hide in other rooms and everything. I’m coming to meet you Elizabeth!”. ---
**Author:** ![quixotic78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3ab097/32.png) [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/40 "2005-04-05T13:23:21Z")
As soon as the President (it still kills me that he used to be on that show where Bobcat Goldwaith [sp] did the voice of the puppet) started having the “heart to heart” with his son, I knew they were both toast. I wish the Hot Fake FBI Agent had gotten more screen time, but it was kinda cool that Jack shot her through the drywall column. And I thought they did a nice job with the shocked silence from Jack, Chloe _et al_ at the end of the episode when they found out that Air Force One had been hit (indirectly, which I assume means that one of the fighter planes took a hit and some shrapnel hit the 747). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731.md?page=3)