# 24: Season 4: Episode 16 (10:00pm - 11:00pm) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 4, 2005, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731 "2005-04-04T22:02:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/41 "2005-04-05T13:36:47Z")
> [@quixotic78](#): > > As soon as the President (it still kills me that he used to be on that show where Bobcat Goldwaith [sp] did the voice of the puppet) started having the “heart to heart” with his son, I knew they were both toast. Actually the Prez lives. ---
**Author:** ![c\_goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/42 "2005-04-05T13:43:46Z")
I feel bad for all the nameless CTU people that get killed going somewhere with Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/43 "2005-04-05T14:28:58Z")
As Jack and unnamed partner were heading into the apartment, I said to my wife “I wonder which one of them is going to die…”. And once again, Jack follows the command I yell from the couch. When the fake FBI agent hid behind the drywall, I said “Shoot her through the wall!” Jack obliged. I didn’t realize I had so much power. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/44 "2005-04-05T14:31:14Z")
Did Ziggy StarPilot actually say that he was on heading 552? Both CTU and the Internation League of Terror seem to be up on the very latest in technology. How come neither one has ever heard of flourescent lighting? Or headsets? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/45 "2005-04-05T15:16:30Z")
I love Jack’s entrance to the terrorist hide-out Bauer: “Blow the Dramatic Entry Explosive in 5…4…3…2…” ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/46 "2005-04-05T15:17:46Z")
> [@c\_goat](#): > > I feel bad for all the nameless CTU people that get killed going somewhere with Jack. They don’t even have names…they’re just “Backup”. I love it. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/47 "2005-04-05T15:57:12Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > They don’t even have names…they’re just “Backup”. I love it. Bah, he goes through them so quickly, why mess with names? ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/48 "2005-04-05T16:11:56Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I love Jack’s entrance to the terrorist hide-out > > Bauer: “Blow the Dramatic Entry Explosive in 5…4…3…2…” He made a similar entrance at the end of Season 1 that was much, much cooler. ---
**Author:** ![ElectricZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@ElectricZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElectricZ)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/49 "2005-04-05T16:18:40Z")
I realize we’re talking about _24_ here (AKA “Plot Contrivance Playhouse”) but doesn’t Air Force One have countermeasures out the wazoo? Flares? ECM? Disbelief has always been flying high with this show, but a single missile (fired from a missile armed F117 no less) got through? I mean, AF1 was on full alert, they knew they were going to be attacked, the escort fighters were covering… It seems like SOMEBODY should have TRIED to jam or spoof one lone missile! OK nitpick over… sliding back into lurk mode… EZ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/50 "2005-04-05T16:37:45Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > They don’t even have names…they’re just “Backup”. I love it. Yeah, you’d think he would’ve learned his lesson about that from watching old Star Trek episodes. Don’t be the new guy who beams down with the landing party or you’re toast! ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/51 "2005-04-05T16:43:40Z")
> [@c\_goat](#): > > I feel bad for all the nameless CTU people that get killed going somewhere with Jack. **Jack** : Michelle, I’m gonna need another backup team, quick! **Michelle** : I’ll send some right over. - makes another call \* **Michelle** : Agent Red? Agent Shirt? You guys are closest to that position. Get over there. **Agent Red** : HELL no! You’ll have my resignation on your desk shortly. I’m going to apply for Assistant Manager at Burger King, now. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/52 "2005-04-05T16:46:13Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Actually the Prez lives. Hey, do you guys all remember when Jesus Christ wandered in the desert, fasting and praying, for something like 40 days? Well, the modern translations got one detail wrong. It was **Rikwriter** who was out there trying to tempt him with bread and stuff… ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/53 "2005-04-05T16:49:44Z")
> [@quixotic78](#): > > And I thought they did a nice job with the shocked silence from Jack, Chloe _et al_ at the end of the episode when they found out that Air Force One had been hit (indirectly, which I assume means that one of the fighter planes took a hit and some shrapnel hit the 747). Or maybe it hit a bird that was flying by, just outside AF1. (Maybe Anderson loaded the beak-seeking missiles by mistake… 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/54 "2005-04-05T17:08:53Z")
For those who saw the preview next week, I think we may be asked to suspend disbelief in a major way soon. I hope I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/55 "2005-04-05T17:22:34Z")
My suspension of disbelief is as hardy as can be, but I _know_ that AF1 does not have the same cheapo cordless phone that is sitting on my coffee table. When Jack was talking to Mr. Anderson I cracked, “My name is Neo.” Yeah, nobody laughed here either. ---
**Author:** ![Greywolf73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@Greywolf73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greywolf73)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/56 "2005-04-05T17:37:38Z")
Okay, I don’t know the first thing about this but wouldn’t it have made much more sense for the Prez and son to, oh I don’t know, maybe put on a parachute or something? Instead of standing around gaping at each other in disbelief? And where was all the Prez’s staff? You’d think there would have been total chaos with folks running around trying to protect the man in any way they possibly could. The “shooting the fake FBI agent through the drywall” trick was pretty nifty though. Terrorists really ought to consider passing around Jack’s photo with the warning: If you see this man anywhere near you, kiss your ass goodbye." ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/57 "2005-04-05T17:57:12Z")
Not parachutes, no, but I would have expected them to strap into their seats. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/58 "2005-04-05T17:57:47Z")
> [@Broken Wind](#): > > Ooo, and lot’s of knife snuffings this season! (Jack\>Terrorist\>Back o’ the neck / Jack\>Terrorist\>Three to the chest / FBI agent impostor hottie\>Jack’s bud\>Back o’ the neck) There are probably more that I am missing. Jack\>Jack\>Stomach ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/59 "2005-04-05T18:12:34Z")
> [@Greywolf73](#): > > Okay, I don’t know the first thing about this but wouldn’t it have made much more sense for the Prez and son to, oh I don’t know, maybe put on a parachute or something? Instead of standing around gaping at each other in disbelief? And where was all the Prez’s staff? You’d think there would have been total chaos with folks running around trying to protect the man in any way they possibly could. . Wouldn’t help. There’s no way to jump out of a pressurized 747. ---
**Author:** ![Strinka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strinka/32/512_2.png) [@Strinka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strinka)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731/60 "2005-04-05T18:25:00Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > > [@Broken Wind](#): > > > > Ooo, and lot’s of knife snuffings this season! (Jack\>Terrorist\>Back o’ the neck / Jack\>Terrorist\>Three to the chest / FBI agent impostor hottie\>Jack’s bud\>Back o’ the neck) There are probably more that I am missing > > .Jack\>Jack\>Stomach That’s not a snuffing. He stabbed himself, but didn’t kill himself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-16-10-00pm-11-00pm/297731.md?page=4)