# 24: Season 4: Episode 21 (3:00am - 4:00am) - Unboxed Spoilers!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 9, 2005, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138 "2005-05-09T23:47:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/41 "2005-05-10T02:36:25Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > No inside info, but I am betting Edgar flips out and kills him. 1. Edgar is a mammal. 2. Edgar fights all the time. 3. The purpose of Edgar is to flip out and kill terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/42 "2005-05-10T02:58:16Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > Hmmmmm…so how will Jack kill Marwan? Jack will tie him to a rocket launcher like the Brits tied some guys to cannons and lit the fuse. I kinda like Edgar whacking him. Why else nuke Mama? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/43 "2005-05-10T03:10:35Z")
Hey, props where they are due: Is Marwan the first person ever to resist Jack’s Shout of Command? ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/44 "2005-05-10T03:39:09Z")
I think Chloe should kill Marwan. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/45 "2005-05-10T03:55:53Z")
I nearly lost it when the Chinese security guy said: “Jack Bauer, of course I know Jack Bauer.” And then immediately realized that if there had been a top secret mission at the Chinese consolate Jack would have been the one to lead it. He knows what we know, there is no one else at CTU or the Defense Department (or the CIA or the NSA or the FBI…) who can stage raids like Jack. If there’s action afoot in LA, Jack will be in the center of it! ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/46 "2005-05-10T04:08:33Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Hey, props where they are due: > > Is Marwan the first person ever to resist Jack’s Shout of Command? Well he is Big Bad Terrorist Dude. He’s been trained in not responding to shouts of CTU agents. 1st in his class, I’ve been told. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Love](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Dr.Love](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Love)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/47 "2005-05-10T04:17:17Z")
I hate to say it, but I think my family may be behind this attack. My 2 year old niece was being stubborn about not going to bed, and was out near the TV at the end of the show. When she saw the missile launch, she started laughing maniacally :eek: I wonder if Jack’s Shout of Command works on babies… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/48 "2005-05-10T04:28:59Z")
“I am a foreign intelligence agent, and I need to see your hourlies.” “You betcha.” WTF? p.s. Chloe, I know that I said I wanted you to bear my children a couple of episodes ago, but let’s not rush into anything, mmmkay? ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/49 "2005-05-10T04:39:44Z")
Yes, that was odd. I would think that a better response would have been, “Sorry, but that information is classified.” And if all goes well, Chloe will be bearing my babies soon. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/50 "2005-05-10T05:14:15Z")
> [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](#): > > This makes me wonder what’s going to happen to that poor fool who pulled down his mask. Me, too. I was thinking he might have to be sacrificed for the cause, but now I’m thinking that the missile will turn out to be Chinese made, and that will cause the Chinese to stop pressing the issue. Maybe season 5 will be a 24 hr therapy session at Chloe’s home where she consoles Jack in as many positions as possible. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/51 "2005-05-10T05:23:53Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > And if all goes well, Chloe will be bearing my babies soon. Chloe: “Gosh, you must be feeling bad right now. About not being able to get it up, I mean. They say it happens to all guys, you know, but I’ve actually never been with a guy who that’s happened to. You must be pretty embarrassed right now. Well, if you ever need anybody to talk to…” ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/52 "2005-05-10T07:12:46Z")
It seemed that after all the trouble Marwan put everyone through for most of the day, that his capture was anticlimactic. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/53 "2005-05-10T07:19:04Z")
Bah. The writers should be shot. Not just because they’re getting lazy, but they’re just not smart. For example, here we have this concocted story about anti-China freedom groups who just happen to attack the embassy and kidnap a scientist within a half hour of CTU demanding the guy. No one is going to believe that, but what else can they do? How about… “I’m sorry China, but we had a mole in CTU, and when he found out we were trying to get your man he alerted Marwan, and the terrorists sent a team over to break him out. Now you’ve got the same enemy we do…” And if a CTU guy is identified in the raid, then holy smokes, wouldn’t you know that’s the mole! Problem solved. It was the obvious cover story, but instead they go with the Chinese freedom fighter thing. Weak. And the answer to the security guy at the embassy in real life would have been, “Sorry, we’re too busy tonight. You can call our ambassador tomorrow morning.” Totally unbelievable that he could force himself into a high level intelligence organization in the middle of a crisis and demand to see their operational documents. And why would a Chinese scientist happen to know the day to day locations of Marwan? That makes no sense. And anyway, if all Marwan had to do was sit in front of a laptop and a cell phone, why did they have to have a pre-arranged empty warehouse? He could have done that from anywhere. The sign of bad writing is when the writers force the characters to behave in completely illogical ways in order to keep the plot moving forward. This season 24 has become a parody of itself. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/54 "2005-05-10T12:06:06Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Me, too. I was thinking he might have to be sacrificed for the cause, I figured he’d be killed in the factory raid and they would use the body to implicate the other group. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/55 "2005-05-10T12:13:21Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Maybe season 5 will be a 24 hr therapy session at Chloe’s home where she consoles Jack in as many positions as possible. 🙂 Sadly (or happily?), I would watch that! ---
**Author:** ![RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RancidYakButterTeaParty)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/56 "2005-05-10T12:33:49Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Me, too. I was thinking he might have to be sacrificed for the cause, but now I’m thinking that the missile will turn out to be Chinese made, and that will cause the Chinese to stop pressing the issue. [QUOTE] Great call on the Chinese made missile, that would definitely solve a lot of problems. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/57 "2005-05-10T12:36:43Z")
I’ve been thinking the entire time that they should just figure a way to re-set the coordinates on the missile - take out the Chinese embassy. Two birds, one stone. ---
**Author:** ![Selkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Selkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Selkie)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/58 "2005-05-10T13:13:45Z")
Anyone else bothered by the line to the effect of “That’s an Asian extremist group, and our team was American”? Ouch. Other than that, what **Sam Stone** said. I loved this season at the beginning, and the halo effect is keeping me glued to the set, but even my unusually generous suspension of disbelief is having a hard time keeping up with what the scriptwriters are dishing out. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/59 "2005-05-10T13:49:52Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > Hmmmmm…so how will Jack kill Marwan? Driscoll. You heard it here first! 🆒 Personally, I think that if you ignore the catastrophe of events that brought us up to this point, this episode made _some_ sense. President Wuss caved and gave Chinese consulate access, rather than saying, “As soon as the crisis is over.” Dumb, but in character. Government cover-up using implausible ruse. Plausible. They only had minutes to come up with a cover, and probably didn’t vet a lot of different plans. **Sam Stone** ’s idea was better, but you are setting up your own agent. You’re not supposed to do that, especially after he survived a raid with Jack. Time to retire him to Switzerland. Chloe is moving in on Audrey’s man. She’s the only one for whom it makes sense to be in a rutting mood at this time. The whole steaming bag of feces that is the Michelle/Tony relationship needs to stop. Right now. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138/60 "2005-05-10T14:24:59Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Next week: Jack steals a fighter jet from a repair bay, but unfortunately it has no loaded armaments. So he flies out to the missile and yells… “Where are you going?! WHERE ARE YOU GOING!!!” Oh, I like this idea better than mine! I had thoughts of Jack strapping himself to whatever anti-missile missile CTU or some other agency could spring into action so he could personally shoot Marwan’s missile down. Any chance that missile is aimed at CTU itself? Although it was pointing screen-right, so it must be heading east. Maybe that’s how we’ll get rid of President Wuss. It’s heading for the White House! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-21-3-00am-4-00am-unboxed-spoilers/303138.md?page=4)