# 24: Season 4: Episode 22 (4:00am - 5:00am) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 16, 2005, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132 "2005-05-16T21:06:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/81 "2005-05-17T16:37:38Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > And how come Marwan, who has tied up loose ends a lot less threatening than HTB and seduction-boy, didn’t get around to exterminating those two? Maybe he meant to and that’s one of the reasons they were hiding out in some crappy apartment complex? -Joe, has lived in apartment complexes ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/82 "2005-05-17T16:41:21Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Well, it was the case that the first thing that CTU did was grill the kid to find out if he told anyone about the visit. And call me an optimist, but if an intelligence agency is going to go through the trouble of slapping you around a bit, they’re probably also going to be checking your outgoing phone records for the past couple of weeks. Which should have led to embarassing questions at the first interrogation, such as “Who’s this Marwan guy you’ve been calling?” To be honest the number that showed in the record from WussSon’s phone could very well have been “Dave Smith of Hoboken”. You expect Marwan’s phone to be listed under his name? Sure, his “Look mom, I’m a respectable programmer” phone, but certainly not his “we strike at midnight” phone. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/83 "2005-05-17T16:50:00Z")
Michele: Tony…I’ve decided to leave here and go with you once this is over Tony: you bitch…you’ve… killed us all… ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/84 "2005-05-17T16:50:38Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > To be honest the number that showed in the record from WussSon’s phone could very well have been “Dave Smith of Hoboken”. > > You expect Marwan’s phone to be listed under his name? Sure, his “Look mom, I’m a respectable programmer” phone, but certainly not his “we strike at midnight” phone. Pfft. Right. Tonight I’m going to look in the Yellow Pages for “Terrorists, Mideastern.” That’ll show ya. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/85 "2005-05-17T16:51:28Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > And how come Marwan, who has tied up loose ends a lot less threatening than HTB and seduction-boy, didn’t get around to exterminating those two? Marwan is a bit of a badass… probably the second-baddest character ever on 24 (after Hacksaw himself, of course). But I don’t think he thinks he can take Mandy. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/86 "2005-05-17T17:09:56Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Marwan is a bit of a badass… probably the second-baddest character ever on 24 (after Hacksaw himself, of course). But I don’t think he thinks he can take Mandy. As someone pointed out, Mandy and DeadFoxNewsBoyToy had an appointment with Marwan in a little while. Maybe they weren’t supposed to make it out. Anyways, who is in the top 24 Ass Kickers list? 1. Jack Bauer 2. Naked Mandy 3. Tony Almeda 4. Habib Marwan 5. Nina Meyers … Anyone else? I’d put Black Bauer on there, but let’s face facts, he’s only been on for one season. I’d hesitate to put Marwan on there, but let’s face it, the guy is obviously some sort of prescient demigod. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/87 "2005-05-17T17:13:35Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > 1. Jack Bauer > 2. Naked Mandy > 3. Tony Almeda > 4. Habib Marwan > 5. Nina Meyers Nina at #5? No way. She’s at #3 with Tony, if not higher. Marwan’s not on the list; he came up with a good idea, and then spent all day running away and looking creepy. Palmer deserves a mention, as well. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/88 "2005-05-17T17:24:16Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’d put Black Bauer on there, but let’s face facts, he’s only been on for one season. Doesn’t he get points for [First Wave?](http://www.first-wave.com.ar/en_joshua.htm) Killing the red neck cop with the trunk of his patrol car was pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/89 "2005-05-17T17:25:14Z")
Anyone else get the feleling that htis whole season has been written like one of those storeis you used to write as kids. You know, you write a sentence or a paragraph ad thenhad it off to someone else and they do the same and they had it off to someone else, etc. When it was over it was a humorous yet fairly incomprehensible story about a guy and a dog that went into space and found Noah’s ark while battling a mutated killer space whale. I think they have handed each episode of 24 off to a new writer in the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/90 "2005-05-17T17:39:35Z")
> [@Gangster Octopus](#): > > Anyone else get the feleling that htis whole season has been written like one of those storeis you used to write as kids. You know, you write a sentence or a paragraph ad thenhad it off to someone else and they do the same and they had it off to someone else, etc. When it was over it was a humorous yet fairly incomprehensible story about a guy and a dog that went into space and found Noah’s ark while battling a mutated killer space whale. I think they have handed each episode of 24 off to a new writer in the same way. If that were true then the season would not have consisted of the same two episode formulas alternately repeated with slight changes. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/91 "2005-05-17T18:02:20Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > Nina at #5? No way. She’s at #3 with Tony, if not higher. Marwan’s not on the list; he came up with a good idea, and then spent all day running away and looking creepy. Palmer deserves a mention, as well. Sorry, didn’t mean to offend anyone. 🙂 The numbers were just kind of numbers, not really in order of ass-kickingness. However, Nina IS the only one to end up dead, so maybe she should be last on the list. Then again, though, she DID manage to kill someone with a jagged room keycard. Certainly there’s other characters that could end up on that list that I’m just not thinking of. I just hope nobody puts lumpy-headed Chase Edmunds on their list. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/92 "2005-05-17T18:33:43Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Anyways, who is in the top 24 Ass Kickers list? > > 1. Jack Bauer > 2. Naked Mandy > 3. Tony Almeda > 4. Habib Marwan > 5. Nina Meyers > … Chloe is somewhere up there, if only due to that one scene. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/93 "2005-05-17T18:56:09Z")
Won’t someone please think of the B’ver? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/94 "2005-05-17T19:38:10Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > But you realize that the cab driver was staring just as much at terror boy as well. Maybe the cab driver, like terror boy and Son-of-a-SOD, is bisexual. Nonononono. Obviously, the cab was driven by Esmarelda Villalobos, and she remembered them because they had so many great anecdotes when she made her usual smalltalk. “I want to know what it feels like to kill a man. It is subject I have much interest in.” “It’s pretty hot, actually.” “Hell yeah. Always gets my motor running. Hey, did you know there’s _another_ ‘Mile High Club’? I’ll tell ya, there was this one time…” ---
**Author:** ![mkl12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mkl12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkl12)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/95 "2005-05-17T19:38:50Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > Nope. They gave no indication that the bunker was under the White House. They did. I’m not sure about the episode when Logan went into the bunker, but when Palmer came to his help, he is clearly shown walking through the White House, entering an elevator and wondering why Logan wasn’t in the West Wing. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/96 "2005-05-17T19:43:22Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Anyone else? I’d put Black Bauer on there, but let’s face facts, he’s only been on for one season. I’d hesitate to put Marwan on there, but let’s face it, the guy is obviously some sort of prescient demigod. By Black Bauer I assume you mean Curtis. Just the fact that he can ride with Jack and Tony without getting shot puts him on the list. SecDefs Big Gay son? He was afraid of telling his day he was gay? Fuck that! Just knowing Bauer is on the other side of that glass I’d be all like “…and who would you like me to be gay with?” (which I’m not). ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/97 "2005-05-17T22:50:14Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > SecDefs Big Gay son? He was afraid of telling his day he was gay? Fuck that! Just knowing Bauer is on the other side of that glass I’d be all like “…and who would you like me to be gay with?” (which I’m not). That’s what I don’t get. I can see the Bad Guys putting most of their plan in place in LA because, well, Jack Bauer is known to be in D.C. But, hell, as soon as they found out Jack was going to be in town they should have either aborted, turned themselves in, or just plain shot themselves in a big group suicide. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/98 "2005-05-17T23:44:33Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Anyways, who is in the top 24 Ass Kickers list? > > 1. Jack Bauer > 2. Naked Mandy > 3. Tony Almeda > 4. Habib Marwan > 5. Nina Meyers > … > > Anyone else? I’d put Black Bauer on there, but let’s face facts, he’s only been on for one season. I’d hesitate to put Marwan on there, but let’s face it, the guy is obviously some sort of prescient demigod. Nah, I wouldn’t put Marwan on it – I think he’s just happens to be the Luckiest-Sumbitch-Terrorist-Alive, and he clearly has an unlimited supply of Expendable Henchmen to get him out of any scrape. I haven’t really seen him kick too many asses himself. Nina Meyers clearly should be on the list, even if she’s dead. After all, she got dead because of the #1 guy on the list, and even then, it took him three seasons to accomplish it. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/99 "2005-05-18T00:31:59Z")
Tony’s a dead man. Everyone knows that the cop working his last day before retirement is a dead man. So is any cop who leaves home after his wife says, “Honey… Be careful”. Tony did BOTH. And that treacly music they had playing while Tony and Michelle exchanged significant glances was ridiculous. Bye bye, Tony. Nice knowing you, although your sensitive intense tough guy thing got a little tiresome towards the end. Now would someone re-explain the logic of the Mandy killing her compatriot again? I know what she said - that it’s easier for one to escape than two. But that’s just plain STUPID. If they split up, they can force CTU to split their resources. And how exactly does leaving a corpse behind make CTU think someone is still in the apartment? It took all of two seconds for Jack to realize the kid was dead, and it alerted them even more to the fact that she was armed and dangerous. Killing your armed backup man so that you have ‘a better chance to escape’ makes no sense whatsoever. But that was the least of the things that made no bloody sense. Even as high camp, this show is starting to grate on me. I no longer care who lives or dies. In fact, I hope Chloe goes insane, grabs an M-16, and kills them all. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132/100 "2005-05-18T00:41:25Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Killing your armed backup man so that you have ‘a better chance to escape’ makes no sense whatsoever. But that was the least of the things that made no bloody sense. Maybe she was just making conversation? Fact of the matter is that he was only going to slow NakedMandy down. Why do you think Jack doesn’t even bother to learn the names of his redshirts anymore? Add that to the fact that I doubt she’d leave him alive to talk were he to be captured… Not that I’m claiming there would be sense. I expected her to gutshoot him and then say, “Well, honey, you’re had no matter what. See if you can take a couple of them with you.” -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-22-4-00am-5-00am/304132.md?page=6)