# 24: Season 4: Episode 6 (12:00pm - 1:00pm) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 25, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523 "2005-01-25T02:37:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/61 "2005-01-25T21:28:00Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > But they said numerous times that the plygraph shjowed he was lying, or at least holding something back, when they asked him if he told anyone his dad was stopping by. And polygraphs are actually very accurate, especiallly on someone like the Sec Def son, who is very nervous and clearly doesn’t know a thing about trying to fool one (and besides, you fool it into thinking you aren’t lying.) I think you’re wrong about that. As far as I know, polygraphs aren’t that great, and when somebody is clearly nervous it makes them that much less reliable because you can’t be sure if the person is reacting because he is lying, or just nervous because of the situation, or what. His comment to his father that he did withhold something but it was none of CTU’s business, on the other hand, was just stupid. They’ve devoted enough time to his interrogation that I guess he has to know something significant, but after that exchange I don’t really believe the character anymore. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/62 "2005-01-26T00:21:18Z")
> [@Survey1215](#): > > Did Beruuz (sp?) pick up the pistol after he whacked his would-be executioner? It looked like he left it there. Dumb ass. Depends on what you’re gonna do. Go to the cops and say “Terrorists killed my family and tried to kill me, but I hit one with a shovel and got away”. It might work. Get stopped with a gun leaving the bodies and it might not. Taking over control of the nuclear plants via the web…how about the good guys do a denial of service attack on the plants and keep the bad guys from getting to them? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/63 "2005-01-26T00:25:43Z")
Dammit, “family” should read “girl friend”. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/64 "2005-01-26T00:28:29Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think you’re wrong about that. As far as I know, polygraphs aren’t that great, and when somebody is clearly nervous it makes them that much less reliable because you can’t be sure if the person is reacting because he is lying, or just nervous because of the situation, or what. His comment to his father that he did withhold something but it was none of CTU’s business, on the other hand, was just stupid. They’ve devoted enough time to his interrogation that I guess he has to know something significant, but after that exchange I don’t really believe the character anymore. You might wanna have someone take a look at your whoosh-meter 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/65 "2005-01-26T00:44:20Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > You might wanna have someone take a look at your whoosh-meter 😃 I thought so the first time, but not as much when I re-read it. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/66 "2005-01-26T00:47:11Z")
Based on the credits, the guy the episode was dedicated to was a Marine in one of the units that supervised the use of Marine helicopters in this episode. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/67 "2005-01-26T01:01:07Z")
> [@mobo85](#): > > supervised the use of Marine helicopters in this episode. A friend of mine told me how scary a harrier coming over the hill and turning it’s nose from side to side is, but I bet those helicopters put the fear of God into you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/68 "2005-01-26T01:04:49Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > A friend of mine told me how scary a harrier coming over the hill and turning it’s nose from side to side is, but I bet those helicopters put the fear of God into you. > 🙂 Harriers are DAMNED loud, but I don’t anything pegs the holy-shitometer like a pair of A10 Warthogs coming over your shoulder. ---
**Author:** ![c\_goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/69 "2005-01-26T02:52:56Z")
I’M SICK OF DAMN CTU MOLES EVERY SEASON!!! Ok, Gael was a good trick, but they can’t do THAT again. I really felt like giving up on 24 at that point. I’ll just watch from now on to see Jack kick ass, that first 12 minutes or so was great. Oh, and this is pure genius: > [@borschevsky](#): > > Nuclear Technician: Hello? > > Jack: This is Jack Bauer at CTU. You need to unplug your ethernet connection. > > NT: What? Why? I want to keep watching this TerrorTrial streaming video! > > Jack: UNPLUG THE CABLE! The terrorists are hacking your system! > > NT: Relax, guy, I have WinXP SP2. It has a built-in firewall, you can’t hack that. > > Jack: Pull the cable or I’ll come cut it with my hacksaw! I could even hear it in my head, with Nuclear Technician being South Park’s Saddam Hussein voice. “Relax, guy!” I think Audrey’s husband is totally guilty of something… maybe he’s the one that gave away the info that allowed Heller to get kidnapped, and Heller’s son is just a bad lead when they finally find out who he’s protecting. I have to see how they try and explain the power plant thing not being able to be stopped easily. I’m guessing the remote commands have priority over anyone actually inside the plant trying to give commands. Unplugging the ethernet cable won’t work because they already hacked all the plants while the trial was being broadcast, and commands are probably irreversible (like my raincoat) except through the same device. Cutting the power would cause a meltdown, so that’s out, leaving the only solution to have Jack find the device, then go to an internet cafe and be talked through cancelling the commands, complete with a graphical webapp that shows the rods requiring him to line them up properly like a puzzle. As a side note, I missed the original broadcast, and found it on alt.binaries.multimedia.24 in HDTV widescreen, which was much better, especially when they do the split screen stuff (781 MB total size). Anyone with broadband and access to an acceptable news server should keep it in mind if they miss an episode, especially since they don’t seem to rerun the episode during the week anytime. I checked FOX and FX schedules for the whole week. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/70 "2005-01-26T03:16:19Z")
> [@Survey1215](#): > > Did Beruuz (sp?) pick up the pistol after he whacked his would-be executioner? It looked like he left it there. Dumb ass. Behrooz, according to Episode Guide on Fox. And yes, he left gun and shovel on the ground. I think TerrorMom is going to get pissed when she finds out from son that Dad was the one who ordered him to get whacked, and she realizes that TerrorDad lied to her about the order coming from Marwan, apparently the guy higher up. She’s probably going to try to take off with son and get away from TerrorDad – and he’s going to send evil henchpeople after them to kill them both. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/71 "2005-01-26T03:53:02Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > I think TerrorMom is going to get pissed when she finds out from son that Dad was the one who ordered him to get whacked, I always thought about Abraham and Issac-Muslims believe it was Abraham and Ishmael-“You know, son, we don’t have to tell your Mother about this.” ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/72 "2005-01-26T04:00:11Z")
Terrormom won’t live - she killed an innocent girl, and something that egregious is usually good for a death sentence on 24. My suspicion - the boy will get caught by terrordad, and she steps in the way to stop him from killing the kid, and she gets herself killed. Then the boy kills his dad, and becomes an asset to CTU. Or maybe he’ll go straight to CTU, and they’ll put him back into the family as a mole. And I think the SecDef’s son told someone he trusts implicitly. Didn’t he say as much? Probably his girlfriend, who happens to be high in the ‘peace’ movement or something, and it’ll turn out that she gave the information to someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/73 "2005-01-26T05:33:40Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > And I think the SecDef’s son told someone he trusts implicitly. Didn’t he say as much? Probably his girlfriend, who happens to be high in the ‘peace’ movement or something, and it’ll turn out that she gave the information to someone else. That’s what I’ve been thinking too. And I agree – TerrorMom’s days are numbered. But she won’t turn good – she’ll just get killed trying to protect Behrooz. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/74 "2005-01-26T05:35:17Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I always thought about Abraham and Issac-Muslims believe it was Abraham and Ishmael-“You know, son, we don’t have to tell your Mother about this.” I **do** still love you, Behrooz. It’s just that Allah told me to kill you, and all. Now let’s go turn your mom into a pillar of salt. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/75 "2005-01-26T08:16:32Z")
The plot is ridiculous- mainly because every commercial reactor is required to have an emergency shutdown system, and why would it be connected to the Internet? Making that leap of faith, I’d like to mention the first few seconds of the preview for next week: That is a coal-fired power plant, not a nuke! Nukes don’t need 800 foot tall smokestacks. On another note- do ya think that Audrey’s hubby was the one to visit his brother-in-law? Also, it was weird that he knew the person who is cuckolding him was Jack, just from the conversation and meaningful looks. Jack had a legitimate reason to be in the room, didn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/76 "2005-01-26T08:32:47Z")
> [@The Mad Hermit](#): > > Also, it was weird that he knew the person who is cuckolding him was Jack, just from the conversation and meaningful looks. Uh, that’s why they call 'em “meaningful” looks. :insert three page semiotic analysis of guilty facial expressions here: 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GreyWanderer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@GreyWanderer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreyWanderer)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/77 "2005-01-26T08:34:59Z")
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought the processing power of all those computers was goint to be used to hack that device itself, not the power plants. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/78 "2005-01-26T12:39:09Z")
Apparently the terrorists used the broadcast to upload a distributed computing app (terrorism@home?). I think it was to hack all the power plant firewalls. Ya, no manual overides there :rolleyes: Will Chloe be brought back to hack the hack? What about here injured nerd friend? Brian ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/79 "2005-01-26T14:15:33Z")
Trivia: The case was actually a WiebeTech Forensic Field Kit. ([http://www.wiebetech.com/products/forensicffk.php](http://www.wiebetech.com/products/forensicffk.php)) Read at: [http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/01/25/wiebe24/index.php](http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/01/25/wiebe24/index.php) Brian ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2005, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523/80 "2005-01-26T14:30:21Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Will Chloe be brought back to hack the hack? What about here injured nerd friend? Brian Chloe’s gotta be brought back for something major. She’s Jack’s Main Chick! And I think you’re right about her function being Super Hackerette! The injured nerd friend has to make a really fast recovery to be of any use at all. Isn’t he pretty much stuck in the hospital? Oh, I forgot. . . hospitals these days push the Eject button pretty quickly, no? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episode-6-12-00pm-1-00pm/286523.md?page=5)