# 24: Season 4: Episodes 3-4 (9:00am - 11:00am) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 10, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095 "2005-01-10T20:57:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![moi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@moi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/81 "2005-01-12T21:41:36Z")
_squeezing eyes shut and covering ears, pokes head into thread_ Hey, guys. Did anyone record these two episodes? Wanna share with someone who was spending some quality time with the inlaws rather than glued to the TV? E-mail’s in the profile if you can help a girl out. _runs back out of thread_ ---
**Author:** ![archmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@archmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/archmichael)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/82 "2005-01-12T22:06:53Z")
Watching the Araz family, I got a weird “House of Sand and Fog” vibe. And I don’t know why. I don’t know if it’s been said before in the other thread, but Behrooz’s mom is SMOKIN’ HOT. And she’s got that Kathleen Turner/Husky voice thing going on. Behrooz’s moms interaction with her son, is a little “weird”. Am I the only one picking up on that? Beautiful CTU people=Jack Bauer cock-blockers. Ugly CTU people=his allies. When Heller escaped, I imagined Rumsfeld watching it at home and getting a kick out of it. Rumsfeld: Finally an accurate portrayal of the Sec of Defence! I could so do that! R’s wife: You do know he got recaptured a few minutes later, right? Rumsfeld: Hey, you make an escape attempt with the plan you got! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/83 "2005-01-12T22:15:22Z")
> [@archmichael](#): > > Watching the Araz family, I got a weird “House of Sand and Fog” vibe. And I don’t know why. Mrs. Araz was the Ben Kingsley’s wife in that movie. [Shohreh Aghdashloo](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0013037/bio). ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/84 "2005-01-12T22:23:05Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Mrs. Araz was the Ben Kingsley’s wife in that movie. [Shohreh Aghdashloo](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0013037/bio). Not only that, but the young actor playing Behrooz also played her son in that movie. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/85 "2005-01-12T22:24:28Z")
I didn’t realize that. That sure does explain it! ---
**Author:** ![archmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@archmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/archmichael)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/86 "2005-01-12T22:44:24Z")
Sorry to whoosh you guys. Was being sarcastic Ran to IMDB after the first two eps to comfirm it. When you need a middle eastern mother and son acting team, there must be only one game in town. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/87 "2005-01-12T23:24:36Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I think not. Which is why she’ll soon, somehow show her true (good) colors. Because if they are going to bring back something evil, it should have been the mountain lion. Heyyyy! The mountain lion wasn’t evil – it was just misunderstood. (And it was smarter than Kim :D) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/88 "2005-01-12T23:42:27Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I think not. Which is why she’ll soon, somehow show her true (good) colors. We’ve got 20 hours to go, so you may be right. Still, with Sherry and Julia Milliken in mind, at the moment the show’s gotten into kind of an uncomfortable pattern. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/89 "2005-01-13T00:43:47Z")
> [@archmichael](#): > > Behrooz’s moms interaction with her son, is a little “weird”. Am I the only one picking up on that? Well, I figured that the parents were going to make him kill Debbie, but then I thought he’d turn the gun on mom, so maybe I get a Norman Bates-Mother vibe there? So… Jack decides that rather than slashing tires he’ll rob a place. Is this sort of “outside the box” thinking typical of him? I’ve only seen 4 episodes, so it’s hard to judge based on that. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/90 "2005-01-13T00:51:11Z")
> [@archmichael](#): > > Behrooz’s moms interaction with her son, is a little “weird”. Am I the only one picking up on that? She kept widening her eyes as if she were trying to hypnotise him or something. I asked my husband why she kept doing that weird thing with her eyes and he said he didn’t notice. Maybe it was just me. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/91 "2005-01-13T02:30:31Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > So… Jack decides that rather than slashing tires he’ll rob a place. Is this sort of “outside the box” thinking typical of him? I’ve only seen 4 episodes, so it’s hard to judge based on that. Actually, usually Jack solves such problems by killing someone. Kidnapping someone is choice #2. Staging a robbery is choice #3. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/92 "2005-01-13T04:04:21Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Actually, usually Jack solves such problems by killing someone. Kidnapping someone is choice #2. Staging a robbery is choice #3. Well, choices #1 and #2 are usually put on hold when he’s trying to follow somebody back to the secret bad guy lair, so in these situations, choice #1 is typically find a way to hijack CTU satellite or other surveillance resources without the Boss-Who-Hates-Him finding out. He’s right on schedule there. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/93 "2005-01-13T04:32:52Z")
And sometimes when he kills someone, he likes to saw off the head for a souvenir. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/94 "2005-01-13T04:40:47Z")
I don’t know if marianne is a mole, but she certianly has an agenda. She thinks blackmail is a legitamate career advacing method. i KNOW she will ask Edgar to do something he normally wouldn’t, but whether its just to make herself look better or part of a deeper plan i don’t know… With 24, I pretty much assume EVERYONE is up to no good. Brian ---
**Author:** ![archmichael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@archmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/archmichael)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/95 "2005-01-13T05:08:37Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > She kept widening her eyes as if she were trying to hypnotise him or something. I asked my husband why she kept doing that weird thing with her eyes and he said he didn’t notice. Maybe it was just me. I meant weird, as in sexual. Like she was teasing him ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/96 "2005-01-13T05:35:11Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Anybody else really disturbed by the torturing-Richard storyline? I had trouble watching it. I have trouble believing that, even if he’s that arrogant, he’s hiding anything. In fact at this point I hope he knows nothing because I feel they don’t deserve any info they get from him. And _that_ is exactly how 24 keeps us coming back. The good guys being tortured by other good guys\*. TV hasn’t really ever done this before. Also good guys being suddenly and brutally killed with no set-up (like Jack’s wife in the first season). \*('cept Richie could turn out evil in the end) ---
**Author:** ![spiralscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@spiralscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spiralscratch)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/97 "2005-01-13T08:06:02Z")
> [@archmichael](#): > > I meant weird, as in sexual. Like she was teasing him What do yo think you’re watching, _Nip/Tuck_? > [@SuperNelson](#): > > Is it just me, or are Curtis and Marianne the Muppet baby versions of Sherry and David Palmer? I had the same basic thought, but I like your Muppet Baby analogy. I may have to steal it. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/98 "2005-01-13T13:41:50Z")
In regards to Jack pretending to rob the store to buy time instead of slashing his tires, etc: He only wanted to keep the terrorist there for as little time as possible, then let him go so they can track him to where Heller is being held. Slashing his tires would force him to run somewhere, then steal a car, and maybe get lost. It’s much easier to track someone when you know the exact car he will be using and it’s starting point, plus, when the Sec. of Defense is kidanapped, it’s good to waste as little time as possbile. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/99 "2005-01-13T14:00:40Z")
> [@archmichael](#): > > I meant weird, as in sexual. Like she was teasing him She was trying to hypnotize him into having sex with her. Seriously, was I the only one who noticed that eye thing going on? It reminded me of Tracie Allen Ross (Diana’s daughter) on Girlfriends[sup]\*[/sup]. Like her eyeballs are too big for their sockets and they are attempting to pop right out of her head. [sup]\*[/sup]This is a show that none of you watch because it is on UPN, stars a bunch of black people and, extra special plus, is on UPN. You probably never heard of it. Did I mention this show is on UPN? ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095/100 "2005-01-13T16:20:06Z")
> [@I Love Me](#): > > And _that_ is exactly how 24 keeps us coming back. The good guys being tortured by other good guys\*. TV hasn’t really ever done this before. Also good guys being suddenly and brutally killed with no set-up (like Jack’s wife in the first season). > \*('cept Richie could turn out evil in the end) I don’t buy any of the people in charge of anything at CTU as good guys. Their HR department has some really serious problems, going back to whenever they hired Nina. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-4-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/284095.md?page=6)