# 24: Season 5: Episode 13 (7:00pm - 8:00pm) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 13, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246 "2006-03-13T23:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/21 "2006-03-14T03:14:29Z")
Oh, and I loved it when we got the Chloe we know and [del]hate[/del] [del]tolerate[/del] love back! “And what is it with you and breathing? Is that your solution to everything?” ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/22 "2006-03-14T03:15:30Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Yeah, I see now that IMDB did list her. But the one in this episode didn’t look like [Mia Kirshner](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000477/) to me. No, I agree it didn’t look much like her. The reason why I thought it might be was because of the IMDb listing, and because it was a very Mandy like entrance into the plot. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/23 "2006-03-14T03:29:08Z")
C. Thomas Howell is _twenty years older_ than Kim Bauer? Damn, I feel old… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/24 "2006-03-14T03:49:14Z")
I liked that one exchange between Audrey and Jack: Audrey: Are you okay? Jack: No. Simple, and to the point. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/25 "2006-03-14T04:02:26Z")
Red Shirt: "Okay…in one room we have Jack Bauer, his daughter, his ex girlfriend and Chloe…Buchanans safe in his office…Tony’s in medical…and I should be ok in here with the disgraced former CTU head who inadvertantly ca…ahhhh CRAP!!! ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/26 "2006-03-14T04:16:05Z")
Homeland Security is taking over? God, I hope Mike Brown shows up and goes out on a mission with Jack. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/27 "2006-03-14T04:22:31Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > Homeland Security is taking over? God, I hope Mike Brown shows up and goes out on a mission with Jack. Jack: Great job, Brownie! Get on your knees. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/28 "2006-03-14T04:39:49Z")
> [@Wolfian](#): > > Was Jack Bauer the captain of the UCLA swim team? It was a nice homage to Shelly Winters’ and the swim team-taught breath-holding ability she displayed in the Poseidon Adventure. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/29 "2006-03-14T04:42:32Z")
So, is Tony really dead? ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/30 "2006-03-14T05:21:39Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > It was a nice homage to Shelly Winters’ and the swim team-taught breath-holding ability she displayed in the Poseidon Adventure. I immediately thought of that too. Poor Mrs. Rosen! ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/31 "2006-03-14T06:08:39Z")
This sounds dumb even as I’m saying it, but for some reason, seeing Tony die in this episode suddenly gave me the creepy feeling that this is _24_’s last season. I know that under Jack, bad-asses come and bad-asses go, but…this was Tony. Seeing Jack cry in the middle of the season also seems like a bad omen to me. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/32 "2006-03-14T06:14:48Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > A-HA! He played the president in the cut scenes for Command and Conquer: Red Alert! That’s why he’s so familiar, and why at one point I actually thought he was the prez. 😛 VP Dugan. Except now, he has a pair. Unfortunatly, he looks and sounds too much like Logan for my tastes. Imagine the photo-ops. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/33 "2006-03-14T06:21:10Z")
I kept thinking. “Wait, why does Lynn have to die when he has a red shirt he can order to his death? It always worked for Kirk” Also, I’d stay out of Jack’s way for the next few hours. He just had his best friend die(maybe, hope not), his daughter is probably already caught in a cougar trap down the hall, and he’s been stuck in a room for the last hour with no one to kill or torture. That’s a dangerous combination in Jack. We’ll be lucky if he doesn’t snap the neck of the first hapless red shirt he comes across just to relieve the tension. Though he almost killed Bread boy(and I don’t blame him). Also, now we know where Jack learned how to come back from the dead. One minute Henderson’s nervous system is “fried”, the next he’s running out of CTU. And God help them if they try to set up a perimeter. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/34 "2006-03-14T06:22:26Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > This sounds dumb even as I’m saying it, but for some reason, seeing Tony die in this episode suddenly gave me the creepy feeling that this is _24_’s last season. I know that under Jack, bad-asses come and bad-asses go, but…this was Tony. > > Seeing Jack cry in the middle of the season also seems like a bad omen to me. I know what you mean. Also, Jack seemed really hurt by Tony’s death. For some reason I keep thinking of Casablanca where Louis says “If I were a woman, I think I should be in love with Rick”. ---
**Author:** ![initech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/439d5e/32.png) [@initech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/initech)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/35 "2006-03-14T06:23:25Z")
I’ll just say this now. I think my dream may be coming true: Evil Jack. He’s lost his family, friends, Palmer… the producers are systematically destroying his entire support structure. Think about it. One week, there’s a snap and we have the next Angel. Sweet. A man can dream… ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/36 "2006-03-14T06:31:50Z")
> [@initech](#): > > I’ll just say this now. I think my dream may be coming true: Evil Jack. > > He’s lost his family, friends, Palmer… the producers are systematically destroying his entire support structure. Think about it. One week, there’s a snap and we have the next Angel. Sweet. > > A man can dream… Angel… the vampire with a soul? Or am I missing another obvious reference? ---
**Author:** ![initech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/439d5e/32.png) [@initech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/initech)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/37 "2006-03-14T06:38:53Z")
> [@Big Bad Voodoo Lou](#): > > Angel… the vampire with a soul? Or am I missing another obvious reference? Angel’s season two villainy on BTVS was, to me, truly remarkable TV. To allow a major heroic character to go so bad, so fast was really great stuff. I think a similar swing for Jack would make for some satisfying television. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/38 "2006-03-14T06:41:30Z")
I’m not sure if it means anything yet, but Tony’s Profile on the 24 page at [Fox.com](http://Fox.com) doesn’t have a big “Deceased” stamped on it, like every other big character who died during a season has. Not yet, anyway. They might not have updated it yet, or maybe he’s not “dead” yet. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/39 "2006-03-14T06:45:28Z")
> [@initech](#): > > Angel’s season two villainy on BTVS was, to me, truly remarkable TV. To allow a major heroic character to go so bad, so fast was really great stuff. I think a similar swing for Jack would make for some satisfying television. Ah, I see what you mean. I was thinking of “pushed-too-far Angel” from season 2 of his own show, when he locked all the Wolfram & Hart lawyers in the wine cellar and let Darla and Drusilla slaughter them all. I doubt Jack Bauer would go bad, but if he did, they’d have to call in the JLA, the G.I. Joe team, and the Authority to stop him. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/40 "2006-03-14T10:31:32Z")
100% certain Tony is not dead. How do we know? Because there was no silent countdown. And no way in HELL that was Mia Kirshner. The character’s name is “Colette”. And, aside from the weird business with the “airlocks” and so forth, which was typical 24-verse gobbledygook, this was an awesome episode. I can’t WAIT for the Homeland Security people to start trying to replace Chloe. And Curtis. Not to mention Jack. Good luck with that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246.md?page=3)