# 24: Season 5: Episode 13 (7:00pm - 8:00pm) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 13, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246 "2006-03-13T23:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/81 "2006-03-14T20:48:08Z")
> [@c\_goat](#): > > Anyone recognize the darkened face guy that was “reformatting all their systems to our specs”? I feel like I should know who he was… it was tickling my memory. I was wondering how somebody could do that to CTU’s ultra-high security systems in, um, 20 minutes? From a laptop. Without Chloe noticing. I don’t know why CTU even bothers with security. The Homeland security coup was mighty fast. And very aggravating, because clearly we’re going to have to put up with yet more Jack-and-Chloe-Audrey-against-the-world intrigue in the next few hours. Haven’t we already done that? Some dumb stuff in this episode. I’d have to nominate the sensors on the door seals as the most unlikely. Unless Henderson was a Terminator, I’m not sure how they could have pumped him with torture juice and left anything that was capable of opening his eyes, much less pulling off a daring Jack-like escape. I didn’t buy Tony killing Henderson in cold blood either. First, because he’s a professional and second, because it’d be much more fun to volunteer to be the guy with the red hot tongs and pincers. I can’t think of any target in LA that would justify using all the nerve gas. Except maybe Disneyland. And I can’t imagine Disney giving their OK for \* that \* particular scenario. But CTU’s best bet would be just to follow Kim. Because wherever the nerve gas canisters are opened, I bet she’ll be there. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/82 "2006-03-14T21:01:23Z")
I threw in a spoiler box around the quoted text from the article, **Airblairxxx**. It looks like there were spoilers in that article for shows other than 24. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/83 "2006-03-14T21:06:51Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Unless Henderson was a Terminator, I’m not sure how they could have pumped him with torture juice and left anything that was capable of opening his eyes, much less pulling off a daring Jack-like escape. Would Robocop suffice? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/84 "2006-03-14T21:36:29Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Unless Henderson was a Terminator, I’m not sure how they could have pumped him with torture juice and left anything that was capable of opening his eyes, much less pulling off a daring Jack-like escape. I’m surprised no one has said anything about this yet, but it seemed pretty obvious to me. The medical torture guy is in on this. He wasn’t actaully torturing Henderson that much, just a little, and that’s why he never talked and how he was able to escape. The “nervous system shutting down” would be impossible for someone with experience in medicine and torture to overlook. Don’t you suppose they train these guys to not put the suspect into a coma? I had a thought during the show which I thought would be an awesome plot twist. Suppose that CTU actually has a mole within the terrorist cell! Turn the tables on these guys for a change. Wouldn;t you be amazed to see CTU acting proactively on something for a change? Some actual productive intel? When I saw the new Euro-terror-slut I thought the guy in bed looked an awful lot like Eric Bana. Not him, but I wonder if I’m the only one who saw the resemblence. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/85 "2006-03-14T21:50:38Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I had a thought during the show which I thought would be an awesome plot twist. Suppose that CTU actually has a mole within the terrorist cell! Turn the tables on these guys for a change. Wouldn;t you be amazed to see CTU acting proactively on something for a change? Some actual productive intel? Jack did embed himself with the Salazars. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/86 "2006-03-14T22:00:52Z")
Yeah, but that’s not the same a long planned, sleeper that gets revealed in hour 16 to up-end the plot. then subequently tortured and killed by Bierko. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/87 "2006-03-14T22:06:38Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I had a thought during the show which I thought would be an awesome plot twist. Suppose that CTU actually has a mole within the terrorist cell! Turn the tables on these guys for a change. Wouldn;t you be amazed to see CTU acting proactively on something for a change? Some actual productive intel? You mean someone like Gael? Gael Ortega? ---
**Author:** ![c\_goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/88 "2006-03-14T22:11:31Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > You mean someone like Gael? Gael Ortega? But Gael was still at CTU. I think he means someone actually hanging out with the terrorists. Like they walk into the terrorist server room and call CTU. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/89 "2006-03-14T22:22:51Z")
Tony is offically [Dead](http://www.fox.com/24/profiles/ta.htm) , I’m sad to say. Those M_ **F** _s. Henderson should kill himself right now, because Jack is gonna be incredibly pissed. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/90 "2006-03-14T22:50:27Z")
> [@c\_goat](#): > > The question I had is where does all the killer gas go? They just blow it all outside? I’d think that might be dangerous to the people outside. I’m not the only one who thought that. But it would get rid of the Homeland Security team really quickly. They drive up, they get out of their vans, and WHAM - they get hit by the Sentox that’s just been flushed out of CTU. CTU continues as normal. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2006, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/91 "2006-03-14T23:05:00Z")
Here’s [an article](http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1142203809667&call_pageid=968867495754&StarSource=RSS) with an interview with the actor portraying Edgar. He’s kind bitter about being killed off. He doesn’t come across as very bright or well articulated, perhaps the line between were Edgar stops and Louis begins is blurrier than we thought. ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/92 "2006-03-15T01:21:22Z")
> [@SkipMagic](#): > > I threw in a spoiler box around the quoted text from the article, **Airblairxxx**. It looks like there were spoilers in that article for shows other than 24. D’oh! Sorry about that. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/93 "2006-03-15T02:31:59Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Lynn’s guard didn’t seem to like Jack’s idea too much – understandably. But you know, if they’re going out into the contaminated areas anyways, wouldn’t it be a good idea to send Lynn into the computer room, and send the other guy running for wherever the nearest gas masks are stored? Unless they’re locked in the basement or something, then at least when they open the room, he could hold his breath and make a run for them. That, or locking the goddamned door so Lynn can’t get in and Redshirt only gets exposed to half as much gas. I thought for sure that Mandy2 was going to kill her lover. I was SO sure. DAmn you 24 writers! > [@HPL](#): > > I’m not sure if it means anything yet, but Tony’s Profile on the 24 page at [Fox.com](http://Fox.com) doesn’t have a big “Deceased” stamped on it, like every other big character who died during a season has. > > Not yet, anyway. > > They might not have updated it yet, or maybe he’s not “dead” yet. Does now. > [@annieclaus](#): > > Especially if this new Homeland Security chick and her henchpersons decide Jack is unfit to be part of CTU. And Chloe. Imagine it. . . Rogue Jack with his able sidekick Rogue Chloe! Watch Out, Terrorists! You’re toast! Yeah, I believe they were called “Punisher” and “Microchip”. 🙂 > [@c\_goat](#): > > I thought it would have been a nice change to have a CTU redshirt survive… but oh well. Some conventions just can’t be broken. Well, there was the Redshirt in with Chloe and Jack who didn’t have any lines… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/94 "2006-03-15T03:20:51Z")
Good news! President Palmer is alive and well, selling auto insurance on _The Unit._ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/95 "2006-03-15T03:38:32Z")
Chloe through history. 14 April, 1865 Gosh, Mrs. Lincoln, that must have been terrible, seeing your Husband shot right beside you, and lay for hours in a bed too short for him dying. I wonder if he knew he was dying? Just lying there and thinking about how he failed to keep the country together and how he was going to die slowly…But other than that, how did you like the play? Cordova, 1492. Gee, it’s so terrible. I mean, you Muslims and Jews living here in Spain in harmony, and Ferdinand and Isabella kick you out. You’ll probably be at each other’s throats for hundreds of years. And they won’t remember your suffering, just that Columbus guy. Sarajevo, 28 June 1914. It’s so awful, Duchess, your husband Arch Duke Ferdinand being the black sheep of the family. I mean, nobody liked him, and now he’s killed because the driver of your car got lost. Europe will be in flames with world wide wars for years over this, and as a friend of mine says, “millions of people will die.” Duchess? Duchess? Altair IV, 23rd century. You know, Captain Kirk, we have guys with red shirts where I work ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/96 "2006-03-15T04:47:20Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Well, there was the Redshirt in with Chloe and Jack who didn’t have any lines… He didn’t want to be noticed. After all, Red shirts tend to get sent on suicide missions…like going out into the gas instead of Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/97 "2006-03-15T07:42:43Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > That, or locking the goddamned door so Lynn can’t get in and Redshirt only gets exposed to half as much gas. Yep, that would have been a smarter move by redshirt. No point in Lynn coming back into the room – he was toast anyways. You’d think he could have tried to close the cannister (which was still spewing gas, wasn’t it?) while he was in there with the computer. Or had it already emptied itself? > [@](#): > > I thought for sure that Mandy2 was going to kill her lover. I was SO sure. DAmn you 24 writers! Yeah, I was just waiting for her to pull a knife or a gun, too. Maybe she’s waiting until next hour. Until AFTER she does him, like a preying mantis. (or maybe, after she does him again?) ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/98 "2006-03-15T14:46:51Z")
So is it fair to ask not if but when the next person will be offed? ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/99 "2006-03-15T16:37:00Z")
I don’t know if this is common knowledge yet, so I’ll share it just in case. Yesterday, KTLA (Channel 5 here in LA) had an interview with Dennis Haysbert. His take on Palmer’s assassination was rather surprising to me, although I understood kind of where he was coming from. He was told near the end of Season 4 that they were going to kill his character off at the beginning of the following year. He didn’t take it very well. He has some very strong feelings about the fact that the _24_ writers created a respectable, honest, trustworthy man to be the first black president of the US, and he felt like they were sending a bad message by having him killed off. Apparently, he initially refused to come back to film the beginning of the season. He said they had planned to make the announcement of his death through a CNN news blurb instead, but they were reluctant to go that route. The show apparently had to beg and plead with him to come back so they could film his death. He wasn’t happy about it, but he ultimately caved in. He did not say whether additional money was an enticement, or why he eventually changed his mind. He said that he bears no animosity towards the writers and producers of the show, and still holds them in high regard. But he thinks they made a poor decision in this instance. Interesting stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2006, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246/100 "2006-03-15T18:10:45Z")
If these reports are true, someone should sit Haysbert and Louis down and show them an episode or two of, say, _24_ and let them see how safe regular characters are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-13-7-00pm-8-00pm/348246.md?page=6)