# 24: Season 5: Episode 18 (12:00midnight - 1:00am) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 17, 2006, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065 "2006-04-17T21:22:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/61 "2006-04-18T21:27:49Z")
> [@Survey1215](#): > > I saw the guy who plays Logan on ‘Cold Pizza’ this morning - three little earring thingies in the left ear - kudos to whoever saw the earring holes on HD earlier in the season. What little I saw had me thinking he’s as dorky in person as he was playing Incompetent Presidential Guy. I didn’t report it, but I do remember seeing them on my set a few episodes ago. I looked for them again last night, but the camera angle wasn’t right. Ever since I saw Bruce Willis’ pierced ear in that movie where he was supposed to be a National Guard General (or something), I always look for that sort of thing. Doesn’t Kiefer have one as well? Note to self: See if POTUS has a tattoo on her lower back! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/62 "2006-04-18T21:28:51Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > INote to self: See if POTUS has a tattoo on her lower back! Oops. Make that FLOTUS. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/63 "2006-04-18T23:30:09Z")
I do wish they’d thrown in a line like “we can’t make a copy of this recording… it’s encoded by an inverted protocol” or something. Technobabble is irritating, but it’s good for covering up obvious plotholes like that. I did like the 7-way split screen as the episode ended. The most splits ever? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2006, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/64 "2006-04-18T23:43:55Z")
I hate to fall into the role of apologist as I did in Trek threads, but perhaps it is technically possible to determine that it is a copy, and therefore not legitimate proof… Hell, Jack wouldn’t get to cut enough folks fingers off if he copied it. Get real. ---
**Author:** ![Shadowfyre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfyre/32/9972_2.png) [@Shadowfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shadowfyre)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/65 "2006-04-19T19:07:22Z")
> [@Survey1215](#): > > No way Aaron is dead. I will be bummed if it turns out to be the case. Of course he’s dead. I suspect everyone is going to die this season except for Jack. That way next season they can save money paying for cheaper, less known actors. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/66 "2006-04-19T19:37:53Z")
> [@Shadowfyre](#): > > Of course [Aaron’s] dead. Nah, I think the soap opera convention guarantees he’s merely indisposed, but will come out of it breathing. They went to the trouble of establishing sexual/romantic tension between Aaron and Martha, and then made Logan irredeemable. He’s got to get some play. > [@Finagle](#): > > Chloe has been chased by bad guys, gassed, watched half her work force die, fired a couple of times, and they assign her filing at midnight? Doesn’t anyone at CTU sleep? It’s just that FBI that declares “[We Never Sleep](http://www.masonicinfo.com/images/pinkertonseye.jpg)”. CTU’s motto is “We Nap During Commerical Breaks.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/67 "2006-04-19T20:27:01Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > CTU’s motto is “We Nap During Commerical Breaks.” The only let Chloe sleep when the power is off. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/68 "2006-04-19T22:40:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Of course he’s dead. I suspect everyone is going to die this season except for Jack. That way next season they can save money paying for cheaper, less known actors. Roger Cross (Black Bauer) has been confirmed for season 6. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/69 "2006-04-19T22:41:42Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I do wish they’d thrown in a line like “we can’t make a copy of this recording… it’s encoded by an inverted protocol” or something. Technobabble is irritating, but it’s good for covering up obvious plotholes like that. Well, bringing up Trek again, it’s not like Chloe couldn’t have defeated that with a 486 and ten or twelve minuts to work… Hell, she can do anything else! -Joe, Chloe fan ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/70 "2006-04-19T22:57:56Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I hate to fall into the role of apologist as I did in Trek threads, but perhaps it is technically possible to determine that it is a copy, and therefore not legitimate proof… But why would a copy of a recording (which itself is a COPY of a conversation) not be legitimate proof? Wouldn’t the defining factor be whether it was determined to be a recording of an _authentic_ conversation that really happened (as it was this season) versus a fabricated recording pieced together to make it look like a conversation happened (as in season 2, the Sayed Ali tapes)? Who cares if it’s a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a conversation – as long as it can be analyzed and shown to be an authentic conversation. If it was a tape copy, then making further tape copies might degrade the quality of the recording, but if it was a digital copy, then the copy would contain the exact same pattern of bits as the original – no loss of quality, like copying a file verbatim on a computer. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2006, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/71 "2006-04-19T23:02:56Z")
So what’s Curtis been doing for the last 3 hours anyways? And when is somebody going to strap Bierko into the TortureMatic2000 and fire it up? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/72 "2006-04-20T00:03:37Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > But why would a copy of a recording (which itself is a COPY of a conversation) not be legitimate proof? Perhaps being a copy gives the possibility of being edited. Hell, computers and satellites don’t work right on this show. Who says audio recordings have to? 🙂 I still like the excuse for Jack to use bolt cutters on somebody’s thumbs instead. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/73 "2006-04-20T02:19:56Z")
But that woman assistant to the First Lady knows all about this, right? I think she was kidnapped again. If they find her, they don’t need the tape. She may be dead already, since all the innocents around Jack seem to get killed. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/74 "2006-04-20T02:34:32Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Perhaps being a copy gives the possibility of being edited. Well heck – if it’s a recording at all, it has the possibility of being edited – that’s why they would have to do analysis on it to verify that it wasn’t put together from separate recordings, like in season 2. (Although, in season 2, they came to the wrong conclusion when they did that, because of the kid with the super-audio-editing-software that left no audio “artifacts”). But a recording IS a copy (of a voice conversation). A copy of a copy would have the same possibilities of being edited as the “original” copy. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/75 "2006-04-20T02:36:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I still like the excuse for Jack to use bolt cutters on somebody’s thumbs instead. Jack doesn’t need an excuse for that! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/76 "2006-04-20T02:39:57Z")
> [@The Big Cheese](#): > > She may be dead already, since all the innocents around Jack seem to get killed. Someone suggested that she be removed from Xmas card lists. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/77 "2006-04-20T02:45:36Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > But a recording IS a copy (of a voice conversation). A copy of a copy would have the same possibilities of being edited as the “original” copy. [More Loudly]Hell, computers and satellites don’t work right on this show. Who says audio recordings have to? [/More Loudly] ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/78 "2006-04-20T02:53:41Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > [More Loudly]Hell, computers and satellites don’t work right on this show. Who says audio recordings have to? [/More Loudly] Yelling only works when Jack does it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/79 "2006-04-20T03:35:58Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Yelling only works when Jack does it. 😉 Ah. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2006, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065/80 "2006-04-20T17:24:17Z")
So, on another note… Who will Mrs. Henderson be more pissed off at by the end of this day? Jack, or Mr. Henderson? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-18-12-00midnight-1-00am/353065.md?page=5)