# 24: Season 5: Episode 6 (12:00noon - 1:00pm) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 30, 2006, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261 "2006-01-30T21:37:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/81 "2006-01-31T18:23:28Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > And there’s just something so – I don’t know, gay – about Jack being in luuuuvvv when he’s supposed to be kicking ass. It’s a tender side of him I really don’t care to see. The most tender Jack can be is muttering “I’m so sorry” over her dead body. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/82 "2006-01-31T18:55:44Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#): > > It’s “gay” to have attractive women chasing after a guy? Yeah, that James Bond is a total queen. :dubious: Not gay in the homosexual sense. Gay as in thirteen-year-olds telling their friend “Eww, you held hands with a girl? That’s so gay!” ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/83 "2006-01-31T19:32:21Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Not gay in the homosexual sense. Gay as in thirteen-year-olds telling their friend “Eww, you held hands with a girl? That’s so gay!” Now I remember why I didn’t like any of the thirteen-year-olds when I was one. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/84 "2006-01-31T19:44:26Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > D’oh! (Thanks for not spoiling.) > > Though FTR, discussion of next-week-on-24s is OK as long as it’s spoiler-boxed. Can’t spoil something one doesn’t know, though my guess is Terror Babewhose name I can’t be bothered to remember. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/85 "2006-01-31T20:01:50Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > -This season is starting to remind me of season 2. Government secretly helps terrorists get WMD for political gain, only to have something go very wrong. To make the comparison even more apt, in season 2, we had “Three middle eastern countries”. Now we have “Southern Asia” as a destination. > > This must get awfully confusing for people. If I told a travel agent I wanted to go to Southern Asia, they’d ask “Where in Southern Asia?”. In the 24 universe, I guess threre’s only one seaport called “Southern Asia”. > > Just like in Season 2. In the 24 universe, when you tell pilots to bomb 3 middle eastern countries, they know exactly which three you’re talking about. > > Or maybe there really isn’t a world outside LA in the 24 universe, which is why we have strange names like “Southern Asia” and “3 middle eastern countries” as legitimate, specific areas. I thought it was “Central Asia”, which most commonly considered the ex Soviet -stans. Afghanistan, northern Pakistan and western China too, if you are loose with the definition. (See [Wiki entry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia)). The writers might be geographically misinformed to think that Chechnya is in Central Asia, but it’s in Europe, quite long, long way away from “Central Asia” The biggest trouble with the episode is that “Central Asia” is, by practically any definition, landlocked, unless there are some massive canals between the Black Sea & and the Caspian that are big enough for ocean-going freighters. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/86 "2006-01-31T20:16:47Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Can’t spoil something one doesn’t know, though my guess is Terror Babe [spoiler]I think her name is Mandy, and she can terrorize me anytime. _Rawr_. Damn it, I’m mad at myslf, because during the preview when we saw _someone_ behind the bed, I had a good idea who i thought it might be, but now I forget who I was thinking of. Perhaps a zombie Nina?[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/87 "2006-01-31T20:27:00Z")
**bouv** , that’s the right name and I agree. Scarily, your second thought was my first thought too. But then I thought, not even 24 can go there, can it? Another thought is that it is Kim. She is supposed to show up this season. Terror Babe wouldn’t be a revelation (_“Her again?!”_), but Daddy Bauer’s li’l girl would. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/88 "2006-01-31T20:56:39Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > This must get awfully confusing for people. If I told a travel agent I wanted to go to Southern Asia, they’d ask “Where in Southern Asia?”. In the 24 universe, I guess threre’s only one seaport called “Southern Asia”. > [@fiddlesticks](#): > > I thought it was “Central Asia”, which most commonly considered the ex Soviet -stans. Afghanistan, northern Pakistan and western China too, if you are loose with the definition. (See [Wiki entry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia)). The writers might be geographically misinformed to think that Chechnya is in Central Asia, but it’s in Europe, quite long, long way away from “Central Asia” > > The biggest trouble with the episode is that “Central Asia” is, by practically any definition, landlocked, unless there are some massive canals between the Black Sea & and the Caspian that are big enough for ocean-going freighters. Yep, they were putting the stuff on [a freighter bound for “Central Asia”](http://www.osce.org/photo_gal/web_311_948168_1062148121.jpg). I guess the trick is to get a running start while you’re still out in the middle of the Indian Ocean. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/89 "2006-01-31T21:01:44Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > **bouv** , that’s the right name and I agree. Scarily, your second thought was my first thought too. But then I thought, not even 24 can go there, can it? > > Another thought is that it is Kim. She is supposed to show up this season. Terror Babe wouldn’t be a revelation (_“Her again?!”_), but Daddy Bauer’s li’l girl would. [spoiler]Actually, you reminded me of who I thought it mgiht be. Chase. The clue? Jack said ‘Put your hands up’, and the shot cut out right before we saw any hands…because there would be only one! 😛 Yeah, silly idea, but not outside the realm of possibility. It makes more sense for Chase to be there, since he was an actual agent, as oppossed to Kim, who was an actual stupid bitch. But is she actually suppossed to show up? I heard that about last season as well, but it was a no go.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/90 "2006-01-31T21:49:12Z")
Is there a site a list of characters for each day? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/91 "2006-01-31T22:14:58Z")
You mean other than [HERE](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0285331/)? ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/92 "2006-01-31T22:24:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Is there a site a list of characters for each day? Imdb has listings of the guest stars in each episode. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2006, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/93 "2006-01-31T22:29:22Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > I thought it was “Central Asia”, which most commonly considered the ex Soviet -stans. Afghanistan, northern Pakistan and western China too, if you are loose with the definition. (See [Wiki entry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia)). The writers might be geographically misinformed to think that Chechnya is in Central Asia, but it’s in Europe, quite long, long way away from “Central Asia” > > The biggest trouble with the episode is that “Central Asia” is, by practically any definition, landlocked, unless there are some massive canals between the Black Sea & and the Caspian that are big enough for ocean-going freighters. You’re right. When I posted this morning, I couldn’t remember if it was Central or Southern, but I figured it had to be Southern because Central is landlocked. But then again, Iowa has mountains in the 24 universe, so maybe you can get to Central Asia by ship. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2006, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/94 "2006-02-01T00:25:48Z")
So my friends were loud here and there and I might have missed it - did they ever bother to explain how the situation would be helped by framing Jack and killing Michelle/Tony/Chloe? It seems like doing in Palmer would’ve done just fine since he was the only one who seemed to be onto something. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2006, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/95 "2006-02-01T00:38:48Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > You’re right. When I posted this morning, I couldn’t remember if it was Central or Southern, but I figured it had to be Southern because Central is landlocked. > > But then again, Iowa has mountains in the 24 universe, so maybe you can get to Central Asia by ship. No, you fool! 😉 They were going to go by the Siberian Railroad, leading to an amazing train bound fight scene on the roof of the baggage compartment! But Walt had to ruin it :(. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2006, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/96 "2006-02-01T00:43:46Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > So my friends were loud here and there and I might have missed it - did they ever bother to explain how the situation would be helped by framing Jack and killing Michelle/Tony/Chloe? It seems like doing in Palmer would’ve done just fine since he was the only one who seemed to be onto something. If they wacked Tony, Michelle, & Chloe, then Jack would have no one who could vouch for him? I got nothin’. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2006, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/97 "2006-02-01T00:54:35Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > **bouv** , that’s the right name and I agree. Scarily, your second thought was my first thought too. But then I thought, not even 24 can go there, can it? > > Another thought is that it is Kim. She is supposed to show up this season. Yeah, **D\_Odds** , that’s what I was thinking, too. A wrong place at the wrong time kind of thing… ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2006, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/98 "2006-02-01T01:01:00Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > So my friends were loud here and there and I might have missed it - did they ever bother to explain how the situation would be helped by framing Jack and killing Michelle/Tony/Chloe? It seems like doing in Palmer would’ve done just fine since he was the only one who seemed to be onto something. I think the idea was that the attempts on Michelle/Tony/Chloe were to make it look more like Jack is the culprit – i.e. he’s trying to kill everybody who knows he’s alive. BUT, why framing Jack was Walt’s best idea, rather than just some random guy shooting Palmer and disappearing… I don’t see how either one would automatically cast suspicion on Walt. So why it was necessary to frame Jack? Dunno. If you’re a bad guy, your best move is to stay as far away from Jack as you can, and never even mention his name. Just call him You-Know-Who, if you have to. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PigBoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/97f17d/32.png) [@PigBoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigBoy)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2006, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/99 "2006-02-01T01:06:40Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#): > > That would explain why Ohio had mountains in it last year. Maybe the map in the 24-verse looks like maps of the Louisiana purchase, where “Louisiana” is actually most of the western US, so “Ohio” also includes Appalachia and maybe even parts of Canada. 🙂 Since the Iowa thing has been sorted out, I just want to state for the record that actually a good chunk of Ohio is pretty much Appalachia. (Not mountains, mind you, but pretty hilly.) But Canada… well, maybe no one would notice if Ohio took over Ontario’s Lake Erie islands. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2006, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261/100 "2006-02-01T01:35:15Z")
If David Palmer knew what was going down (of course, we don’t know HOW he knew) in a few hours, what was he doing editing his memoirs with his brother in that hotel suite? Also, the talk about 24 universe geography is true. I don’t think the writers have ever been outside the city limits of Los Angeles. In any case, they seem incapable of thinking about anything happening outside of La La Land and when they try they get it all wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episode-6-12-00noon-1-00pm/342261.md?page=6)