# 24: Season 5: Episodes 23-24 (5:00am - 7:00am) Season Finale **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788 "2006-05-22T18:45:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/81 "2006-05-23T15:35:44Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > you don’t want to attack the city that has CTU, and they’d go after New York, or Diluth, or something. Nitpick: other cities do have CTUs. I remember in a previous season (I want to say Season 1) where terrorists had armed bombs/virus/whatever in a bunch of cities, and when CTU LA figured it out, they watched some feeds of other CTUs, including San Francisco, diffusing their own bombs. > [@Cluricaun](#): > > Did anyone else happen to catch the preview for the Waaaaaaaalt show coming up this fall on Fox? How did THAT guy manage to wrangle himself a show? They thought he was James Spader and that they were getting a bargain. I don’t know if I want to see more of this Morris guy. Remember, it took us a year and a half before we even liked Chloe. I don’t think I have that patience for this Tucci/Pivenesque weasel. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/82 "2006-05-23T15:39:10Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > And the first lady has got balls of serious steel. First she has sex with him to slow him down, and then she gives a masterful performance during his confession. There’s something seriously wrong with that first sentence, Max. But what I found amusing about that scene was that the scrumptious Martha Logan, who clearly has married down, has to practically beg her husband to do her…and he apparently gets his business down in FIVE MINUTES. No wonder she drinks. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/83 "2006-05-23T15:45:53Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Lastly, was the girl Morris was flirting with ‘sexual-harassment girl’? I couldn’t tell. IIRC, Sexual Harassment Sherry had bright red hair, [this woman was a brunette](http://www.chriscarter.org/images/images/5241Image0522-2041(TV5).jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/84 "2006-05-23T16:10:38Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I believe that Logan told the Chinese about Jack. Remember, last time he talked to earphone-guy, he said that Jack would be taken care of. And sure enough, he was. Good call – I bet you’re right on this. Logan probably leaked the info to the Chinese about Jack still being alive. > [@JThunder](#): > > Chloe’s ex-hubbie is Morris O’Brien. > I don’t know whether I should envy him or pity him. He doesn’t seem to mind her surliness at all. From what we’ve seen of him so far, I like him. He and Chloe are just about as opposite as they could get, personality-wise. And I loved that exchange I quoted earlier (“Can you do it without talking?” – “I could, but it would be a complete waste of my charm!”) > [@D\_Odds](#): > > I so much wanted to hear Bauer say, “You don’t know Jack!” to President Logan. He wimped out. Heh – I was thinking the same thing when he said, “You don’t know me!” One of the best bits with Jack and Logan was in the chopper – Jack giving him the silent glare, while Logan just babbled. Great stuff. ---
**Author:** ![mazinger\_z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@mazinger\_z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mazinger_z)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/85 "2006-05-23T16:11:36Z")
Did we ever learn how they knew Jack was alive? I must’ve missed something. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/86 "2006-05-23T16:16:43Z")
> [@Papermache Prince](#): > > Did Jack have the recording pen in his bag? It was my impression that it was brought to him by Chloe’s ex. It was Logan’s pen, but Jack placed the little micro recording device on it – I assume this was part of the special “equipment” brought to him by Morris. > [@mazinger\_z](#): > > Did we ever learn how they knew Jack was alive? I must’ve missed something. I presume you mean the Chinese. Not explicitly, but I’m guessing that either Logan or the mysterious men behind the scenes tipped them off. After all, by the end of the day, lots of people knew Jack was around. ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/87 "2006-05-23T16:34:46Z")
> [@mazinger\_z](#): > > Did we ever learn how they knew Jack was alive? I must’ve missed something. > [@Monstre](#): > > I presume you mean the Chinese. Not explicitly, but I’m guessing that either Logan or the mysterious men behind the scenes tipped them off. After all, by the end of the day, lots of people knew Jack was around. Or are you asking how the season began, when only four people (allegedly) knew Jack was alive? You’ll have to add that question to the long list entitled “Crap the writers forgot to explain”. ---
**Author:** ![beergeek279](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@beergeek279](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beergeek279)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/88 "2006-05-23T16:44:57Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > Gee, President Logan sure didn’t keep the helicopter waiting for long, did he? Definitely the most embarrasing “time lapse discontinuity” of all of the CTUniverse. At 5:58 they don’t even have their clothes off and then 6:03 they’re getting dressed again; only Jack Bauer can pull off a plan like this against a two-pump chump!! 😃 Well, at least we finally know why Chloe is so bitchy; her ex-husband was apparently nailing anything with a pulse!! Though Jack didn’t get his happy ending, the ending we did get sets up an interesting Season 6. Enjoyable overall (though the show probably should be named _Suspension of Disbelief_), and I’m glad I didn’t give up after day 4. \Just when I thought I was out…they pull me back in!!\ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/89 "2006-05-23T17:02:01Z")
> [@beergeek279](#): > > Definitely the most embarrasing “time lapse discontinuity” of all of the CTUniverse. At 5:58 they don’t even have their clothes off and then 6:03 they’re getting dressed again; only Jack Bauer can pull off a plan like this against a two-pump chump!! 😃 I guess my crew gave him too much credit. We all looked at each other and said “10 minutes” when they asked how long to wait. Of course it was the Chinese. But how the hell did they get in and out of there so fast, and how the hell did they even have time to position themselves in the first place. OH wait, this “24”… everthing is only 15 minutes away. How about the cheesey music in the background the whole time? And we kept yelling “Kiss her, KISS HER!!” in that final scene with Aaron and FLOTUS. Everyone seemed to be hooking up at the end, even Buchanan. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/90 "2006-05-23T17:14:21Z")
> [@beergeek279](#): > > Definitely the most embarrasing “time lapse discontinuity” of all of the CTUniverse. At 5:58 they don’t even have their clothes off and then 6:03 they’re getting dressed again; only Jack Bauer can pull off a plan like this against a two-pump chump!! No kidding. And I thought Jack had a hair trigger. “OK, baby, let’s get it on!” 5:59:57 5:59:58 5:59:59 6:00:00 6:00:00 6:00:01 6:00:02 6:00:03 “Woo! Was it good for you?” And what’s up with CTU security? The director of CTU, having lost his ID badge, can’t access anything. But a lady’s shoe salesman from Beverly Hills walks right in at 5:30 am. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/91 "2006-05-23T17:19:20Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > And we kept yelling “Kiss her, KISS HER!!” in that final scene with Aaron and FLOTUS. Not even Jean Smart can bear to kiss Glenn Morshower, despite his appearences on _The West Wing_. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/92 "2006-05-23T17:50:04Z")
So Jack is on a slow boat to China, sleep-deprived, exhausted, badly beaten up and surrounded by Chinese agents. \*\* He’s got 'em right where he wants 'em!\*\* Next season: China no longer has an overpopulation problem. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/93 "2006-05-23T18:17:46Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > They really threw me off with Henderson. I had expected him to escape in order to cause mischief another day. Then he was killed in the first 30 minutes. Then, for some strange reason, he was shown in the Previouslies at the beginning of the second hour and even had his own freeze-frame. That made me think he was coming back, or would play an important role in the last hour. He didn’t. We don’t actually know this… Henderson’s head could still be surgically detached and implanted onto a cybernetic prototype robot. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/94 "2006-05-23T18:21:15Z")
> [@The Controvert](#): > > We don’t actually know this… Henderson’s head could still be surgically detached and implanted onto a cybernetic prototype robot. Loose the arm. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/95 "2006-05-23T18:32:15Z")
LOSE the arm, dammit. Loose the spell checker. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2006, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/96 "2006-05-24T00:57:26Z")
I’m gonna bump this so it appears above the not-quite-zombie thread from a few weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2006, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/97 "2006-05-24T01:26:20Z")
ok, I posted this on the 2am one somehow. I’ll tempt fate and post it again, in the right spot… I just saw it again, and I didn’t see Jack plant the pen on him, or even throw it on the table. He threw the one he took from Logan on the table. But he never switched them, or implanted a device on that pen. Logan put his cell phone and 1 pen back in his pocket. Chloe’s ex did come, and Jack asked for the ‘enhanced devices’ I think he called it. He gave him something about the pack of a pack of cigarettes wrapped in yellow. Could have been the pen. And Chloe didn’t even start to bawl after that kind of day, and seeing the photo of her and her Edgar??? hard as nails. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2006, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/98 "2006-05-24T02:03:19Z")
Ok. I still really enjoy the show. But, is it time to end the 24 conceit that everything is in real time? The first few seasons it made sense and it was novel and it added to the story. Now, it just seems to be a hindrance that the writers have to work around, sometimes with limited success. It could still be a very fast paced show. Maybe spread out over several days, and mostly in real time with some skips. But, is this still necessary? ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2006, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/99 "2006-05-24T02:34:35Z")
Regarding how they knew Jack was alive at the beginning of the day - they never came out and say it, but Henderson implied that he had found out. When he was asking Jack to help him and his wife disappear, he said something like, “I won’t make the same mistake you made - I’ll leave the country!” So I inferred that someone who knew Jack had spotted him sometime during the 18 months he was supposed to be dead. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2006, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788/100 "2006-05-24T02:39:09Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > Regarding how they knew Jack was alive at the beginning of the day - they never came out and say it, but Henderson implied that he had found out. When he was asking Jack to help him and his wife disappear, he said something like, “I won’t make the same mistake you made - I’ll leave the country!” So I inferred that someone who knew Jack had spotted him sometime during the 18 months he was supposed to be dead. Yeah, my guess was Henderson as well. He worked for CTU, is obviouly quite smart, so he probably assumed Jack faked his death because afer all, it’s what he would have done. I’m guessing Jack must have gotten help getting some fake ID or something so Henderson might have found out that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-23-24-5-00am-7-00am-season-finale/357788.md?page=6)