# 24: Season 5: Episodes 3-4 (9:00am - 11:00am) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 16, 2006, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274 "2006-01-16T22:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/121 "2006-01-17T22:29:39Z")
Well, I certainly hope they explain how the nerve gas got there in later episodes. Best I can tell, it must have been placed there in a concrete vault, then the hanger/warehouse building was built over it with no apparently way to get at it other than to jackhammer through the floor, and then for further safe keeping, the case is locked by a key card. Ooookkkaaayy As for the cop, I’m pretty sure the guy who escorted Clueless Mom & Derek away was not the cop with the cell phone. I think if we were supposed to catch that he somehow infiltrated the ranks of the CTU stormtroopers we would have gotten another hint. My my my, how 24 has taught us well to be suspicious of _everyone_, surely he’ll quietly escort them back to the safe confines of CTU: Los Angeles where they’ll remain safe for the remaining 20 hours of the day, watching events play out on their cool-ass plasma screens. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/122 "2006-01-17T22:43:29Z")
In addition to wondering about the yellow tie guy, shouldn’t Jack have perhaps wondered HOW THE TERRORISTS KNEW HE WAS THERE, KNEW HIS NAME, AND KNEW HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH DEREK??? Or does he keep that secret so he has the opportunity to shoot someone in the thigh later? ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/123 "2006-01-17T22:47:28Z")
> [@5que](#): > > In addition to wondering about the yellow tie guy, shouldn’t Jack have perhaps wondered HOW THE TERRORISTS KNEW HE WAS THERE, KNEW HIS NAME, AND KNEW HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH DEREK??? Oh, I’m sure that he was wondering about that. He just didn’t have anyone to voice those thoughts too. After all, what’s he supposed to do? Ask the terrorists, “How the heck do you know that?” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/124 "2006-01-17T23:11:42Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Why not? Fox News loves terrorism stories. You’d have to blow up their HQ to keep them from running that. If they got the footage and were airing it, sure, but I don’t know how that video camera footage is getting on the air. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/125 "2006-01-17T23:17:18Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > I don’t think the other airport baddies knew about Yellow-Tie being the sleeper – else they wouldn’t have tried to select him for the next Random Killing. (But I agree with you that airport leader thought he could make Logan cave in). It’d be interesting if we had two groups of villains with different aims. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/126 "2006-01-17T23:18:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If they got the footage and were airing it, sure, but I don’t know how that video camera footage is getting on the air. Well, they were broadcasting on the internet…yeah, that’s it…as a cover for melting down all the nuclear power plants in the US, which in turn is just a cover for shooting down Air Force One, which is a cover for… Okay, I have no clue. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/127 "2006-01-17T23:41:18Z")
All I could think of when the terminal at Ontario was hijacked was “All those people who had Southwest flights are going to be pissed.” Some schmoe is just off to go fly to Phoenix and he ends up part of an international terrorist plot. That’ll show him. He should have drove. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/128 "2006-01-18T00:03:12Z")
> [@5que](#): > > …shouldn’t Jack have perhaps wondered HOW THE TERRORISTS KNEW HE WAS THERE, KNEW HIS NAME, AND KNEW HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH DEREK??? The automatic assumption was probably “mole in CTU,” which is such a commonplace thing that it doesn’t even bear mentioning. As far as Derek is concerned, the main terrorist fella said that he knew Derek was special to Jack because he went to such lengths to prevent his execution, including giving himself up immediately – so Jack knows that he didn’t have any specifics about who Derek is or what his relationship to Jack is. One thing… in the first episode, I seem to remember the not-specifically-Chechen-but-wink-wink terrorists saying that they were “an hour from launch.” At the time, I figured that a missile launch was too prosaic, and figured they were being clever about a _product_ launch. (Eeeevil software that’s not-exactly-as-advertised and will wreck the economy causing MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO DIE or something.) Then the hostage thing happened and I was bummed that they used the word “launch” in a way that it ordinarily wouldn’t be applied at all. Now that the biological whatever-they-ares have been revealed, I’m wondering… …did I mishear the “time to launch?” ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/129 "2006-01-18T00:18:49Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If they got the footage and were airing it, sure, but I don’t know how that video camera footage is getting on the air. Small, relatively powerful VHF/UHF video transmitters aren’t that hard to come by. They would just have to hook one up to the video camera and take it to air live on an open channel, or better yet overriding a weak signal. Of course, unlicensed use of such devices runs the risk of pissing off the FCC, but these are Very Bad Men. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/130 "2006-01-18T00:22:05Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Well, they were broadcasting on the internet…yeah, that’s it…as a cover for melting down all the nuclear power plants in the US, which in turn is just a cover for shooting down Air Force One, which is a cover for… THAT would be a ridiculously implausible plan, making the tightly-plotted season 4 seem ridiculous. Marwan’s plan was melting down all the nuclear power plants in the US, which wasn’t a cover for anything. His BACKUP plan was shooting down Air Force One. See, now doesn’t that just make far more sense? ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/131 "2006-01-18T00:26:52Z")
Yes, as others mentioned Walt was around last year. The discussion’s of Jack’s fate between Mike Novick, the President and Walt, that ultimately led to Mike phoning Palmer to warn him that Jack was jeopardy had a definite feeling of King Henry II with Thomas a Becket “Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/132 "2006-01-18T00:52:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’d be interesting if we had two groups of villains with different aims. Jack could do a Yojimbo/Fistfull of Dollars thing with the two factions…“Yellow Tie said that you…you know, with other guys. But I told him he was full of it.” ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/133 "2006-01-18T01:19:48Z")
I think we’re all missing the truly important questions here: Is Evelyn single? And if so, can I have her number? ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/134 "2006-01-18T01:40:26Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > I think we’re all missing the truly important questions here: Is Evelyn single? And if so, can I have her number? Evelyn is the mother, yes? Unless I’m mistaken, wasn’t she on Spin City? I lveod her than and I love her now. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/135 "2006-01-18T02:08:03Z")
Of course Evelyn is single, she told Jack/Frank that it was “good to have a man around the house” when she was making him breakfast. A breakfast that he never finished… ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/136 "2006-01-18T02:37:00Z")
Quick question. If I remember correctly, the current president, who looks like Nixon, took over after the plane crash in the last season and the president at the time was incapacitated. Did we ever establish that that president died as a result of the crash? Was that ever concretely mentioned? ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/137 "2006-01-18T02:53:36Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Quick question. If I remember correctly, the current president, who looks like Nixon, took over after the plane crash in the last season and the president at the time was incapacitated. Did we ever establish that that president died as a result of the crash? Was that ever concretely mentioned? Last I heard President “Talks to Bunnies” was still alive, at least during season 4. They haven’t so much as mentioned him this season. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/138 "2006-01-18T02:54:03Z")
> [@BobT](#): > > A breakfast that he never finished… Hell, never would I, with the lip stick wearing punk drinking out of the carton… ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/139 "2006-01-18T03:00:14Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > We, the viewers, do not see Jack Bauer 100% of the time during a given day. Pretty please, with sugar on top, dipped in chocolate, can we all assume he pees during commerical breaks or something and stop grumbling about it? I figure he had plenty of time to take a squirt at the abandoned refinery, after killing Sunglasses Guy. Send Chloe and Derek to get the white van, and he had time to take a quick break behind the storage tanks… ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2006, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274/140 "2006-01-18T03:07:05Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > Evelyn is the mother, yes? Unless I’m mistaken, wasn’t she on Spin City? I lveod her than and I love her now. No, Diane is the mother. Evelyn is the aide to the First Lady. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-5-episodes-3-4-9-00am-11-00am/340274.md?page=8)