# 24: Season 7: Episode 15 (10:00pm - 11:00pm) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 23, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508 "2009-03-23T21:40:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/21 "2009-03-24T20:32:48Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > I was wondering if it maybe turns out that the scary bio-weapon is actually a placebo of sugar-gas or something, and that this whole situation was a ploy to get the feds to attack [del]Blackwater[/del] Starkwood and look like incompetent fools. It’s suitably nonsensical, but it doesn’t explain why the terrorist dudes were wearing gas masks when they reacquired the shipment from Bauer. Unless that was part of their cover. Suitably goofy idea. If that is the case, however, you would want your guys to be wearing gas masks because you don’t want your expendable underlings to know the truth that your super evil attack is actually just a ploy. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/22 "2009-03-24T20:36:28Z")
I’m disappointed that agent Rowwwrr has all but been written out of the show. They easily could have had her swim across the Potomac to Alexandria in a tight wetsuit or something. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/23 "2009-03-24T20:38:04Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > So…who is going to betray and attempt to murder me, then, my dog or my recliner? > > -Joe Better feed wet food. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/24 "2009-03-25T01:06:43Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > As far as the overall plot goes, let’s see if I have this right. The evil corporation with the private army wants to prove that only they can prevent forest fires, so they stage manage a couple of terrorist attacks on US soil, including an attack on the White House. Once they set off the bioweapon, this will conclusively prove that the conventional anti-terrorist forces aren’t up to the job, leading to large lucrative contracts for them. OK, it’s evil and cynical, but at least it’s a plan. However once Jack has discovered their identity (and it wasn’t particularly hard now, was it?), doesn’t this plan pretty much fall apart? It’s kind of hard to be hiring out your private army when the US government is hunting you down like rabid dogs for initiating a bioweapons attack on US citizens. So what’s the point? Isn’t it time for some hard core bargaining? Like, “You let us quietly slip out of the country and we’ll show you where the canisters are?” I like the way Jon Voight is basically an exaggerated neocon. I don’t mean to score an obnoxious political point. I don’t mean neocons are _evil_, and I certainly don’t mean the overbroad “anyone who thought the Iraq war was a good idea” definition of neocon. I mean the actual intellectual architects of the neocon movement before it was so utterly discredited by the Iraq war. It was 1) attack other countries, 2) profit, 3) Go America!. Jon Voight is 1) kill a bunch of Americans, 2) profit, 3) Go America!. What is up with his weird overtone of patriotism? ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/25 "2009-03-25T03:27:42Z")
[Dave Barry’s take:](http://blogs.herald.com/dave_barrys_blog/2009/03/24-3.html) “Maybe this day will end on a positive note.” Sure! Aside from all the terrorist-caused deaths and the firefight IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Even evil puppetmaster Jon Voight looks like a dweeb with a Bluetooth headset. That makes, by my count, three million bullets fired at Jack without hitting him just today. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/26 "2009-03-25T04:24:01Z")
This thread is such a buzzkill. I suspended disbelief and really enjoyed the episode! ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/27 "2009-03-25T14:52:42Z")
I particularly enjoyed the conversation that the security guard had with his wife, establishing in 15 massively unsubtle seconds that he was working the night shift to provide for his pregnant with twins family. All that was missing was to have him don a red shirt and say something about this being his last day before retirement. Given that Jack had a gun with a silencer (and apparently decent accuracy given that they were far enough away that Jack and Tony’s little spat didn’t alert the guard even though they were using their outdoor voices), they should have been able to get the odds down to about 2:1 before the firefight. The Indiana Jones pastiche where Jack leaps on the truck and takes out the driver was kind of cute. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/28 "2009-03-25T15:20:06Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > I particularly enjoyed the conversation that the security guard Commander Tucker from _Enterprise._ 🙂 Dr. Phlox, Dr. Bashir; any more Trek actors on _24_that I can’t recall? Perhaps it is the Manny Coto connection. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/29 "2009-03-25T15:40:55Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > I particularly enjoyed the conversation that the security guard had with his wife, establishing in 15 massively unsubtle seconds that he was working the night shift to provide for his pregnant with twins family. All that was missing was to have him don a red shirt and say something about this being his last day before retirement. Yeah, I was half-expecting him to say something about the boat he just bought and named “Live Forever”. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/30 "2009-03-25T16:33:29Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Yeah, I was half-expecting him to say something about the boat he just bought and named “Live Forever”. I joked to the wife that he had finally solved the JFK conspiracy and was going to send his notes to the publisher tomorrow… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/31 "2009-03-25T18:46:12Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > I particularly enjoyed the conversation that the security guard had with his wife, establishing in 15 massively unsubtle seconds that he was working the night shift to provide for his pregnant with twins family. All that was missing was to have him don a red shirt and say something about this being his last day before retirement. I actually suspected he was _not_ going to die, because the writers made it so painfully obvious that he _was_, thus setting us up for the ol’ switcheroo. So in a way, they managed to do something unpredictable, yet make it completely predictable anyway. If that makes any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/32 "2009-03-26T01:45:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Commander Tucker from _Enterprise._ 🙂 > > Dr. Phlox, Dr. Bashir; any more Trek actors on _24_that I can’t recall? > > Perhaps it is the Manny Coto connection. 🙂 Ensign Ro was in Season 2 (Lynn Kresge). ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/33 "2009-03-26T01:51:37Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > I actually suspected he was _not_ going to die, because the writers made it so painfully obvious that he _was_, thus setting us up for the ol’ switcheroo. So in a way, they managed to do something unpredictable, yet make it completely predictable anyway. If that makes any sense. Perhaps what they need to do next is have Night Watchman Trip turn out to be the Bigger Bad who is secretly pulling the strings of Jonas Hodges, the Sangalan terrorists, the First Daughter, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/34 "2009-03-26T01:54:28Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > Perhaps what they need to do next is have Night Watchman Trip turn out to be the Bigger Bad who is secretly pulling the strings of Jonas Hodges, the Sangalan terrorists, the First Daughter, etc. Actually, he’s from an Enterprise (pick one) which got sent back in time and just HAPPENED to land in the 20/21st century. It turns out that the bio attack is SUPPOSED to succeed or blah blah blah… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/35 "2009-03-26T01:55:45Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > Perhaps what they need to do next is have Night Watchman Trip turn out to be the Bigger Bad who is secretly pulling the strings of Jonas Hodges, the Sangalan terrorists, the First Daughter, etc. But the REAL mastermind behind it all is… _dun… dun… DUNNN!!!_ Kim Bauer! ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508/36 "2009-03-26T01:57:06Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > But the REAL mastermind behind it all is… > > _dun… dun… DUNNN!!!_ > > Kim Bauer! Or the cougar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-15-10-00pm-11-00pm/490508.md?page=1)