# 24: Season 7: Episode 18 (1:00am - 2:00am) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997 "2009-04-13T22:27:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/21 "2009-04-14T02:03:48Z")
Weelllllllll… Clearly Perimeter Guy was in contact with Tony when he was going to C-4 the Starkwood missiles… So Tony doesn’t appear to be on Starkwood’s side. And Tony was helping warn of the White House attack, so he didn’t want Juma to succeed. But why does Tony want an extra cannister of bio-goo? What’s he going to use it for? I was going to ask whether he killed Larry, or if he just unconscified him. But since he said he was going to stick around and wait for the FBI, I guess the only way for that to work is if Larry Moss has expired (else he could ID Tony as colluding with the baddie they were chasing). ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/22 "2009-04-14T02:15:45Z")
I kinda’ feel like I got cheated out of big, giant 'spolsion. It’s a cheat to show it to me largely via satellite imagery. I guess the recession is affecting the budgets of the shows. ---
**Author:** ![Ronald\_C.Semone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cc9497/32.png) [@Ronald\_C.Semone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ronald_C.Semone)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/23 "2009-04-14T02:17:29Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > So now Jonas is another small fish in a big pond? Everybody’s a small fish? Apparently there’s always a bigger fish… and the conspiracy reaches everywhere. > > Bets on who is REALLY behind it all? > > - Olivia? > - Morris O’Brien? > - Kim Bauer? (She planned to get her dad infected with a bio-weapon, just so she would force him to reconcile with her and ask for her stem cell assistance…?) > - Nina Meyers, from beyond the grave…? I’ve been saying for years that the ideal villain would be Nina Meyers’ evil twin sister beside whom Nina is an angel. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/24 "2009-04-14T02:32:44Z")
How about the brother of the guy Jack decapitated with a hacksaw, sworn to revenge? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/25 "2009-04-14T02:42:30Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > I kinda’ feel like I got cheated out of big, giant 'spolsion. It’s a cheat to show it to me largely via satellite imagery. I guess the recession is affecting the budgets of the shows. IIRC Kiefer said that this season was the first season where all episodes where filmed prior to showing episode 1. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/26 "2009-04-14T03:09:53Z")
> [@Ronald\_C.Semone](#): > > I’ve been saying for years that the ideal villain would be Nina Meyers’ evil twin sister beside whom Nina is an angel. Nina Meyers. I _liked_ Nina Meyers. Hell, they brought Tony back from the Great Beyond. I found the 'splosions to be pretty decent, the bunkers or storm shelters erupting with flames. Pretty cool. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/27 "2009-04-14T03:22:26Z")
Seems to me Tony should have a good hunk of money stored in a mattress somewhere. He’s on track to get a pardon from the POTUS (no, he doesn’t know that, but I’m betting he sees it as likely), and he goes and kills Moss for what reason? Maybe he still wants to hurt the US Government, but it was gonna be HIM blowing up FBI agents, not the damned Sengalans/Starkwoodies? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/28 "2009-04-14T03:25:30Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > How about the brother of the guy Jack decapitated with a hacksaw, sworn to revenge? 😃 Nah… Jack cut HIS head off several years before… ---
**Author:** ![vintageloveletter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@vintageloveletter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vintageloveletter)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/29 "2009-04-14T05:31:22Z")
Can someone please remind me, where was Olivia this hour? ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/30 "2009-04-14T11:59:35Z")
> [@vintageloveletter](#): > > Can someone please remind me, where was Olivia this hour? I guess she needed some time to freshen up a bit after last hour’s little rendezvous… ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/31 "2009-04-14T17:55:29Z")
My guess is that Tony was doing his own thing when Starkwood got in his way. So then he pretended to be good and put an end to Starkwood. So now he is free to do his own thing. It might be a cool twist to realize that Hodges was protecting his country after all. From an evil worst than himself that involves Tony somehow. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/32 "2009-04-14T18:22:30Z")
The episode was good but it just got confusing. I always figured Tony was still a bad guy but now that he is overtly bad again, I have no idea why. At the moment, it doesn’t seem like he has anything to gain. After thinking about it some more, and talking it through with a friend, we figured he maybe didn’t actually kill him. Rather, he just knocked him out so he can figure out where black guy is taking the canister. But that doesn’t explain why that guy held his fire before Tony made any moves towards the FBI Guy. If it does turn out that he’s gone bad, Jack is going to be **PISSED.** Then there’s also Chloe and, the now dead, Buchanan. Are they just as bad as Tony or is he doing this without their knowledge? I don’t think Chloe has it in her to be a bad guy though. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/33 "2009-04-14T19:17:13Z")
One can practically smell the panic in the writer’s room. “Hey, guys, once again, we set up the big dramatic situation and resolved it in the first 10 minutes of the next episode instead of stringing it out for a few hours.” “Well, that’s OK. We’ll just have the bad guys reveal the next layer of their evil plot.” “The bad guys have all been arrested, shot, or killed by their own side.” “Well, let’s drag the remaining episode out with heart-warming interpersonal reconciliations.” “But…we have 6 more episodes!” “Oh, crap. Well, let’s introduce another level of villains.” “Didn’t we do that in episodes 8 and 12?” "Maybe. We were all drinking heavily. " “Hey, I’m spitballing, but let’s introduce a ninja! With biologic weapons!” “And we need a twist. Let’s have the guy who’s just done a tremendous solid for the President of the United States throw it all away for no apparent reason by committing cold-blooded murder in the slowest, most inefficient way possible.” “Works for me. As long as we’re still drinking heavily.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/34 "2009-04-14T22:33:13Z")
I doubt that the _24_ writer’s meetings are that coherent. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/35 "2009-04-14T23:40:10Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I doubt that the _24_ writer’s meetings are that coherent. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/36 "2009-04-15T04:49:36Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > My guess is that Tony was doing his own thing when Starkwood got in his way. So then he pretended to be good and put an end to Starkwood. So now he is free to do his own thing. > > It might be a cool twist to realize that Hodges was protecting his country after all. From an evil worst than himself that involves Tony somehow. I like this. It’ll turn out that Starkwood was actually a danger to Tony’s crew, who is actually trying to do very serious harm to the country. Woudn’t it be funny if Hodges winds up being put into service with Jack to stop Tony? ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/37 "2009-04-15T06:53:08Z")
Hahah, oh man. I almost couldn’t stop laughing through that episode; it was just so ridiculously bad, but in a good way. Also, did anyone else think the runaway Starkwood guy looked a bit like Ken Griffey, Jr.? 😛 Tony’s actions in this are still a bit inexplicable. If he and Griffey are working together, what exactly was the point of touching down and getting into a gunfight in the dark, risking getting one or both of them shot? Was it to keep up the charade for the benefit of Agent Moss, whom they were going to kill anyway? > [@Meeko](#): > > IIRC Kiefer said that this season was the first season where all episodes where filmed prior to showing episode 1. Seriously? They didn’t just start making shit up halfway through the season like in previous years? …Then, what’s their excuse for the terrible writing and incomprehensibly dumb plot twists this time? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/38 "2009-04-16T03:09:13Z")
> [@vintageloveletter](#): > > Can someone please remind me, where was Olivia this hour? I’d say crying in the bathroom. > [@John DiFool](#): > > I doubt that the 24 writer’s meetings are that coherent. Well, I’m sure that all of the prior dialogue was actually said with a very heavy vocal slur… **Finagle** was just translating. > [@Stealth Potato](#): > > Tony’s actions in this are still a bit inexplicable. If he and Griffey are working together, what exactly was the point of touching down and getting into a gunfight in the dark, risking getting one or both of them shot? Was it to keep up the charade for the benefit of Agent Moss, whom they were going to kill anyway? Right – that bit doesn’t make a lot of sense, unless it’s just “well, the writers were just trying to wait until the last possible moment to reveal that Tony’s not the goody-two-shoes-surly-misunderstood-fugitive after all”. Tony only had to knock Moss down as they were getting out of the chopper (which was of course landing on Moss’ orders). Speaking of which, how stupid is it to land the chopper SO FRICKIN CLOSE to the car, when you can clearly see the dude getting out of the stolen vehicle with a gun?! “Hey, put her down right over there. Yep, in gunshot range.” Open the door and shoot at him from the chopper, dammit! At least the Tony bit would have made more sense if he were handcuffed in the chopper (“Sorry Tony, but I have to take you into custody. And you have to wear these”) and unarmed. Then he’d have to wait for Perimeter Guy to pop Moss before he could free himself. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/39 "2009-04-16T16:11:28Z")
Isn’t anybody concerned that Jack is going to die? I mean besides the fact that Jack Bauer can never die and he is basically the best thing about the show and we all know for certain that he won’t die, besides all that, isn’t anybody concerned, because I am! ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997/40 "2009-04-16T16:39:47Z")
It’s take more than some poxy biological weapon to stop Jackula. Although if he gets a stem cell transfusion from Kim I am concerned that he’ll spend most of season 8 stuck in a trap fending off cougars. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episode-18-1-00am-2-00am/492997.md?page=3)