# 24: Season 7: Episodes 3-4 (10:00am - 12:00noon) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 12, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004 "2009-01-12T23:30:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/21 "2009-01-13T04:26:13Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > I’ve seen them do it for years. Can you really start a car like that, or just on TV and in movies? What? You mean by pistol whipping it? What’s the deal with the law firm? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/22 "2009-01-13T04:31:53Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > What? You mean by pistol whipping it? > What’s the deal with the law firm? He broke the cylinder lock off and hot wired it. My 2000 Pontiac turns off the fuel pump when it thinks the lock is busted. Sometimes, it ain’t. :mad: What _ **IS** _ with the law firm? ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/23 "2009-01-13T04:35:28Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > What’s the deal with the law firm? It’s a West Wing reference. Rob Lowe’s character (Sam Seaborn), was a lawyer for the firm of Gage/Whitney before he joined Martin Sheen’s staff as a speech writer. The West Wing is pretty much my favorite show of all time, so I was bound to catch that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/24 "2009-01-13T04:47:06Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > I didn’t post in the first thread but I’ve been a fan _24_ for years now and I have to confess that the torture aspect has somewhat troubled me in the past. It’s troubling. I’m just saying the show’s worldview is too black and white to present a reasoned debate on the subject. And I’m not really bothered by that. If even half the people Jack tortured were really innocent, the show would be a black comedy. > [@](#): > > I can’t defend the things Jack has done in the past necessarily, but I’m heartened somewhat by the idea that they’re trying to address it somewhat. The scene was a strawman, in my opinion, and not a good one. Super agent Jack on one side, with thousands of lives saved, and this whiny senator on the other, trying to use the law to stop him from helping people? Presenting any of it as realistic is more ethically questionable than just doing the show- it’s pure fantasy and pretending it’s a serious debate is dishonest as far as I’m concerned. Besides, and maybe I’ve said this before, in the 24-verse, there wouldn’t be any senatorial oversight of the national security agencies. The U.S. has been hit, what, six times by terrorists in this world? Some of them very serious attacks, like the nuclear bomb and the virus and the reactor meltdown. The country would be a quasi-fascist dictatorship. There wouldn’t be any senators to grill Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/25 "2009-01-13T04:50:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > He broke the cylinder lock off and hot wired it. My 2000 Pontiac turns off the fuel pump when it thinks the lock is busted. Sometimes, it ain’t. :mad: Hell, my 96 Kia wouldn’t start sometimes if the ignition and the stick weren’t both in exactly the right position. (I got that fixed. It was a problem with the steering column… I wish I were Jack Bauer sometimes.) No one make fun of me for owning a Kia please. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/26 "2009-01-13T04:56:44Z")
Okay, we all know there is a double-double cross lurking in the future. Any chance Tony really is a bad guy now? And I am suspicious of Warden Norton…err the President’s adviser guy as being one of the infil-traitors. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/27 "2009-01-13T05:08:00Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The scene was a strawman, in my opinion, and not a good one. Super agent Jack on one side, with thousands of lives saved, and this whiny senator on the other, trying to use the law to stop him from helping people? Presenting any of it as realistic is more ethically questionable than just doing the show- it’s pure fantasy and pretending it’s a serious debate is dishonest as far as I’m concerned. Oh don’t get me wrong, I completely agree that’s it’s essentially fantasy at the core. Jack is little more that Captain America without the costume. As a matter fact I’ve often defended the show on those grounds alone. It’s just nice that they’re acknowledging those issues in the current political climate. (Even if they didn’t resolve the issue.) I’m curious though, does anyone else think the hearing was a bad idea in theory? (I should really go back and read the first thread. In fact I’ll do that now…) ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/28 "2009-01-13T13:59:21Z")
> [@The\_Controvert](#): > > Just the same, I think Agent Rowrrr did a good job struggling with the face heel turn to torture. After being manhandled and choked out by Jack, is there any doubt those two will end up in bed at some point in the future? Not within the next 24 hours, though. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/29 "2009-01-13T14:07:32Z")
We shall see. (I hope) ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/30 "2009-01-13T14:11:44Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Everybody in the 24-verse is a complete retard. Keep that in mind. Except Jack. And Bill. And Chloe. ---
**Author:** ![c\_goat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@c\_goat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/c_goat)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/31 "2009-01-13T14:19:07Z")
Didn’t get to watch the second half, but I just want to say that I’m actually ok with Tony turning out to be a good guy, even though I thought I’d be annoyed by it. I forgot how much fun it was for Jack and Tony to team up. ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/32 "2009-01-13T14:25:50Z")
I was really digging it until Emmerson took Jack into his crew. Too stupid a move to be worthy. Plus I instantly grew tired of Tony Almeida and his world-weary single syllable dialogue. Kind of let the air out for me. Bill pulled off a great skid with that van, though. Of course, I’ll continue to watch :D. ---
**Author:** ![Baracus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@Baracus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baracus)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/33 "2009-01-13T14:34:54Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > Except Jack. And Bill. And Chloe. Well, Bill, Chloe, and Tony did think that the “We will let the bad guys have something really dangerous but never let it out of our sights” plan would actually work for once. I agree with **mack** that if Emmerson is savvy enough to have gotten this far there is no way he would take in Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/34 "2009-01-13T14:46:33Z")
Here’s a question: Who’s paying for the CTU Cathedral or whatever that building is? I’m hoping a not yet seen Wayne Palmer. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/35 "2009-01-13T15:05:24Z")
Dude, Wayne Palmer’s probably dead. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/36 "2009-01-13T15:06:57Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Dude, Wayne Palmer’s probably dead. Yeah, and Tony Almeida was completely dead. This is 24. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/37 "2009-01-13T15:36:14Z")
> [@Cluricaun](#): > > Here’s a question: Who’s paying for the CTU Cathedral or whatever that building is? I’m hoping a not yet seen Wayne Palmer. Money confiscated from terrorists or Chloe’s dipping into certain online bank accounts. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/38 "2009-01-13T15:47:14Z")
> [@Baracus](#): > > Well, Bill, Chloe, and Tony did think that the “We will let the bad guys have something really dangerous but never let it out of our sights” plan would actually work for once. > > I agree with **mack** that if Emmerson is savvy enough to have gotten this far there is no way he would take in Jack. How is it that every baddie has heard of Jack Bauer and his antics, but none of them know that he’s faked being evil before and that he never is? It’s like knowing your boyfriend is an asshole, but thinking that things will be different this time. ---
**Author:** ![Ronald\_C.Semone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/cc9497/32.png) [@Ronald\_C.Semone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ronald_C.Semone)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/39 "2009-01-13T17:25:10Z")
And wouldn’t you think that after running a clock on this show for five years, the producers would realize that the second hour of last night’s show took place from 11:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon, and not as they indicate 11:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. Thankfully the originator of this thread got it right. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004/40 "2009-01-13T17:33:08Z")
I thought noon was considered PM, midnight AM. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-7-episodes-3-4-10-00am-12-00noon/481004.md?page=3)