# 24: Season 8: Episode 20 (11:00am - 12:00pm) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 3, 2010, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218 "2010-05-03T23:50:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/41 "2010-05-05T00:02:07Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > It was totally driving me batty that Logan’s weaselly aid looked so familiar and I couldn’t place him… looked it up on IMDB and he’s the security chief from **Dollhouse**. Of course! Reed Diamond did his best work (that I am familiar with) on [Homicide: Life on the Street](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106028/). ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/42 "2010-05-05T00:06:01Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Holy crap. No self-defense argument this time, eh? In Season 5 Jack kills Christopher Henderson in revenge for David Palmer, Michelle and Tony’s deaths. (although Tony’s death didn’t stick) They’re facing each other on top of a submarine with guns drawn, Henderson pulls the trigger attempting to kill Jack only to discover that the gun Jack had given him was never loaded. Jack had clearly given him an unloaded gun on purpose and as the audience we finally see that Henderson was never armed, then Jack proceeds to shoot and kill him in revenge. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/43 "2010-05-05T00:48:46Z")
> [@Ronald\_C.Semone](#): > > Jack’s pretty battered by now. Do you think the season/series might end with him finding some way to kill himself while saving the country one last time? I’m wondering if he’ll end up in custody, after his vigilante rampage comes to a close. I think he might finish this season heading off to prison (instead of to L.A. to be with Kim and family). ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/44 "2010-05-05T14:23:26Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Who’s Hack Bauer? Seriously? That’s Chloe O’Brian, the star of the show. > [@](#): > > And are you kidding? Aaron is so cool, Jack should be nicknamed after him. No offense to Aaron Pierce, but I’ll believe that when I seem him take a hacksaw to somebody’s neck. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/45 "2010-05-05T15:29:29Z")
> [@JThunder](#): > > Seriously? That’s Chloe O’Brian, the star of the show. Meh. Chloe with a machinegun made her just Chloe to me. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/46 "2010-05-05T15:55:35Z")
There is no way Jack would have shot that police officer…in the head. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/47 "2010-05-05T16:00:29Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > There is no way Jack would have shot that police officer…in the head. What police officer? The one he threatened and then knocked out? Or the one he shot in the foot? The only person to get it in the head was Bledsoe, the “private security leader”. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/48 "2010-05-05T16:36:17Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > What police officer? The one he threatened and then knocked out? Or the one he shot in the foot? > > The only person to get it in the head was Bledsoe, the “private security leader”. The one he was holding “hostage” and threatening to shoot in the head (or at least that is where the gun was pointing) while screaming at the other cop “Do you know who I am?” I was just commenting that although the other cop certainly could believe it, I would never think Jack would kill a cop just doing his job. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/49 "2010-05-05T16:39:20Z")
In this season, has Jack offed more “good” guys than bad guys? As I recall, he got involved in a fire fight with a special ops unit who were going to seize Hassan, but they were still US troops and nominally good guys. Likewise, the private security firm was involved in torture and Not Nice Guys, but they were civilians under the employ of the President of the US. He was involved in taking Dana, an escaped prisoner, to the bank, so by most state laws, you can probably make a good case that he’s an accessory in the death of the bank officer. Add in the shooting of a cop in the foot and Jack’s karma account is looking pretty overdrawn. Not sure how this day is going to end up, but Jack as retired grandpa in California is looking increasingly unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/50 "2010-05-05T16:40:18Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Meh. Chloe with a machinegun made her just Chloe to me. Yep, Chloe doesn’t need Jack. She can take care of herself just fine. It’s Jack that needs Chloe. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/51 "2010-05-05T19:36:07Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Wow, so they making it like Dana was right after all – he was going to get the evidence and execute everybody involved? > > I wonder if he was going to let her go back when he said “I give you my word” – before she started the escape attempt? I thought he was telling the truth at that point (typically Jack’s word is good). But maybe not. Of course, when she pulled that escape BS, all bets are off. Pretty sure if Starbuck had agreed to Jack’s terms and politely gotten the evidence and given it to him Jack would have let her walk with a promise to shoot her if he ever crossed paths with her again. But then Starbuck had to get all uppity and all bets were off. She had proved to Jack over and over that she absolutely could not be trusted and would do 100% what was in her best interests…period. As such she was too dangerous and all bets were off. BLAM ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/52 "2010-05-05T19:58:35Z")
Did Jack play with the crime scene to make it look like self defense? I wonder if he will even bother. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/53 "2010-05-08T05:53:06Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > As I recall, he got involved in a fire fight with a special ops unit who were going to seize Hassan, but they were still US troops and nominally good guys. I would have to argue that the special ops guys ceased being good guys when they started murdering Secret Service agents from ambush. > [@Gangster Octopus](#): > > The one he was holding “hostage” and threatening to shoot in the head (or at least that is where the gun was pointing) while screaming at the other cop “Do you know who I am?” I was just commenting that although the other cop certainly could believe it, I would never think Jack would kill a cop just doing his job. I’d agree that Jack wasn’t really going to shoot that cop. He just had to make the partner think he would, to get him to put his gun down. Jack does that a lot – he seems to have a very convincing shout. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218/54 "2010-05-08T20:24:46Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > I would have to argue that the special ops guys ceased being good guys when they started murdering Secret Service agents from ambush. I should imagine Jack’s lawyer will use that argument as well. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-season-8-episode-20-11-00am-12-00pm/538218.md?page=2)