# "24" thread for 4/6 (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 7, 2004, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695 "2004-04-07T05:14:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/21 "2004-04-08T15:31:05Z")
Do we know for sure that Tony’s leaving? I only saw him start walking away when Chappelle said, “Do it.” Maybe he wanted to give explicit instructions, so he’d hand them off himself to the delivery kid downstairs somewhere. I was a little bummed about Michelle’s near-breakdown about shooting the guy. I always pictured her as being every bit as badass as the other field agents. I don’t think she’d be so broken up about killing the carrier of a deadly virus. The thing with Gael, on the other hand, I understand. I’m not much into politics, but Palmer’s speech sounded eerily familar… “Hey, something horrible might happen any second now, but just stay calm and vigilant and everything will be hunky-dory.” Perhaps, if it pleases the OP and the mods, we should amend the title again to _24 - Season 3, Episode 17, 5:00AM - 6:00AM (SPOILERS)_, so we can still hit this thread with a search for “episode” and “spoilers.” ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/22 "2004-04-08T19:08:31Z")
I thought this was an absolutely great episode, and (after a shaky start) Season 3 may be the best season yet. Enjoyable moments: -A reference to the Drazens -Michelle being a take-charge badass (and excellent acting from Reiko Aylesworth) -A helicopter showing up out of nowhere and opening up with a machine gun -Chase and Jack working together. That poor woman was so out of her league 🙂 -Saunders telling Palmer to kill Chapelle. This show rocks! All we need now is a little bit of Mandy, and it will be all good. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/23 "2004-04-08T20:00:52Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > All we need now is a little bit of Mandy, and it will be all good. “Allo. My name is Mandy. You killed my boss’ associate’s henchman. Prepare to die.” (Ok, it’s a stretch…) ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/24 "2004-04-08T20:27:23Z")
> [@](#): > > All we need now is a little bit of Mandy, and it will be all good. I agree. This season has been terrific, but we are definitely coming up a little short in the ‘lesbian assasins’ department. Maybe Mandy can kidnap Kim and force her to do . . . things. . . ---
**Author:** ![YPOD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e99b99/32.png) [@YPOD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YPOD)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/25 "2004-04-08T21:25:33Z")
How about this - maybe Michelle is pregnant and has hormones that make the virus ineffective? I think Jack should shoot Chapelle - hasn’t he regretted not shooting anyone when he had the chance? I mean what’s the big deal - how many guys died in the prison riot he started? And couldn’t Jack ask London MI6 to send a copy of the files? Or are we to believe that an agent working in Europe would have files only in Los Angeles, in a building with chicken shit security? Maybe it is the president’s wife and brother who are behind it all. I am beginning to think that no one in the terrorism/counter-terrorism business can even take a crap anymore without having to get computers involved somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/26 "2004-04-08T21:44:14Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > All we need now is a little bit of Mandy, and it will be all good. Mandy? Help me out here fans. I cannot for the life of me remember a Mandy. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/27 "2004-04-08T21:46:25Z")
You must be talking about Toto’s Neorest 600 toilets being installed all over CTU. > [@](#): > > Toto’s Neorest 600 toilet (1) ($5,000; [totousa.com](http://totousa.com)) uses sensors to determine how much to raise or lower the seat and how much water the flush needs. It will clean and dry you when you’re done. Its WellYou2 model, available in Japan, measures urine sugar, then sends the data to your doctor. The CTU versions send the data to Compliance to make sure no one is on drugs. That’s why we never see Jack use a bathroom in CTU. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction . . . ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/28 "2004-04-08T21:48:52Z")
Mandy is the lesbian assasin who took out the plane and the photographer in Season 1 to get the ID card, and then attacked President Palmer with a toxin in the final episode of last year. Played by Mia Kirshner who is now a non-assasin lesbian on ‘The L Word’. (By the way, I used to hang out with the girl who plays Shane on that show!) DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/29 "2004-04-08T21:50:39Z")
Ah. That’s right. How could I forget _her_? Thanks **dalovindj**. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/30 "2004-04-08T22:11:09Z")
Here’s my question: didn’t the guy who threw the chair (or whatever) through the front door of the hotel (before getting shot) pretty much render moot any quarantine of the building? The virus was out the second that glass shattered. Unless I missed something. Also, Palmer should’ve called the guy’s bluff. “Go ahead. Release the virus. I’d rather deal with that situation than negotiate with you, damn it.” And maybe it’s just the restrictions imposed by network TV, but I for one didn’t think Gael’s death seemed all that horrific. He coughed up blood, his face broke out and he died. Big deal. He should’ve been bleeding heavily from every orifice as his internal organs liquified. His eyes should’ve melted out of his head or something. They should’ve made the results of the virus MUCH more horrifying, if you ask me. From what we were shown, death from this bug certainly doesn’t appear to be suicide-capsule worthy! ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2004, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/31 "2004-04-08T22:35:23Z")
> [@Stephe96](#): > > Here’s my question: didn’t the guy who threw the chair (or whatever) through the front door of the hotel (before getting shot) pretty much render moot any quarantine of the building? The virus was out the second that glass shattered. Unless I missed something. Yeah, what happened there? Shouldn’t there have been people outside waiting for that to happen, and were prepared accordingly? _Where were your duct tape and plastic sheeting, people?!_ ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/32 "2004-04-09T02:36:35Z")
Here’s what I think might happen with Chappelle: CTU will be notified of the demand, (the president will say he’s not going to do it, and wants them to come up with some way out of this that doesn’t require killing a CTU agent). But they won’t find a way. But Chapelle is cold. He’s all about getting the job done, and he doesn’t give a damn about anything else. No emotions at all. So, he’ll apply that to himself, see that providing his body is the only way, and kill himself. Once he’s dead, they’ll use the body to do what bad guy wants. Just a thought. BUt if anyone was capable of killing himself because it had to be done, it’d be Chapelle. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2004, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/33 "2004-04-09T06:39:32Z")
> [@YPOD](#): > > How about this - maybe Michelle is pregnant and has hormones that make the virus ineffective? Good thought. Probably magical stem cells or something. Would be an interesting twist if some technobabble inside her can save the world after she had to kill a man for trying to leave the hotel. Oh, and the hole in the glass in the lobby **was** covered with plastic. Of course, it was probably wide open to the world for at least 10 minutes in 24 time. ---
**Author:** ![spiralscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@spiralscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spiralscratch)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/34 "2004-04-10T06:56:18Z")
> [@I Love Me](#): > > I think that the lack of emotion between Michelle and Tony right now (they didn’t even say “I love you” when they last talked on the phone and Michelle may be dying!) indicates that somehow, Michelle will live. Tony started down this path, but Michelle stopped him. I do agree with you in that Michelle will probably live through this somehow. > [@El Elvis Rojo](#): > > As for what “The Sky is Falling” meant, I don’t really think it had anything to do with anything other than to prove that he has Palmer in his back pocket. I agree. Usually, the first task is simply a test of compliance. The next hour may prove us wrong, however. > [@El Elvis Rojo](#): > > The MI-6 building was going to go down no matter what, I’m sure. The information contained in their files was too important not to destroy. You wouldn’t want to do it prematurely, because it may give hints as to who’s causing all this, but with Jack already on his track, that information needed to be deleted. I’m just suprised they used such a weak bomb. I mean, why just destroy the one file and not the whole building? Sometimes a surgical strike is better. Put the explosive in the server room where you know it will destroy its target. It’s possible the hard disks could survive the whole building coming down around them. Yeah, It’s be a mess there and retrieving the data would be difficult, but still possible in time. > [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > I was a little bummed about Michelle’s near-breakdown about shooting the guy. I always pictured her as being every bit as badass as the other field agents. I don’t think she’d be so broken up about killing the carrier of a deadly virus. The thing with Gael, on the other hand, I understand. I’d say she was broken up because he was an innocent victim in the whole thing. The guy wasn’t a criminal, he was just upset and was reacting. > [@Stephe96](#): > > Here’s my question: didn’t the guy who threw the chair (or whatever) through the front door of the hotel (before getting shot) pretty much render moot any quarantine of the building? The virus was out the second that glass shattered. Unless I missed something. Yeah, they should seal that, but I doubt it’ll make much difference. The building isn’t airtight anyways. At the very least you have service doors and such that don’t seal well. The regular doors I’m sure have gaps between them an their frames. Ventilation systems were running for a while. Etc. It’s already out, if only in miniscule amounts. The virus measured at 30-35 ppm inside. The little that got out would rapidly disperse. They were more worried about the people getting out and infecting others, I believe. > [@Max Carnage](#): > > Chappelle on the other hand my take a pill and turn himself over. Then again, he just doesn’t seem the type. Then again, neither did Mason and he went out nobly. WAG on how to get out of killing Chappelle: Saunders and his minion don’t really know who Chappelle is. CTU could give him anyone. They could toss Saunders the guy shot at the hotel and he would be none the wiser. Also, Mason was already dying when he stowed away on that plane. I don’t think he would have done it if he wasn’t already dying. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/35 "2004-04-10T07:51:15Z")
> [@spiralscratch](#): > > Saunders and his minion don’t really know who Chappelle is. Sure he does. He asked who was heading up CTU now, his minion said “Some guy named Chappelle,” and Saunders said “Chappelle. I know him.” I think that’s why Chappelle’s removal is such an issue for the black hat – it’s not just that he’s top man, but that he may have some insight into Saunders. > [@Sam Stone](#): > > Here’s what I think might happen with Chappelle: […] [He’ll] see that providing his body is the only way, and kill himself. I think that’s a good call. Of course, Jack already set the precedent for willing self-sacrifice when Nina demanded preemptive immunity for his murder, so Palmer will probably _expect_ it from a CTU man. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![spiralscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@spiralscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spiralscratch)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/36 "2004-04-10T10:00:10Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > Sure he does. He asked who was heading up CTU now, his minion said “Some guy named Chappelle,” and Saunders said “Chappelle. I know him.” I think that’s why Chappelle’s removal is such an issue for the black hat – it’s not just that he’s top man, but that he may have some insight into Saunders. Aw, dammit. Just watched that portion again. Originally, I somehow heard it as “Chappelle. I _don’t_ know him.” Well, there goes my idea on how CTU can get out of that bind. Now I’m wondering what the relationship is, if any, between Saunders and Chappelle. I don’t recall the discovery of Saunders being behind all this causing Chappelle to pop up with anything useful. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2004, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695/37 "2004-04-10T14:47:51Z")
Or maybe Bad Guy just got tired of Chappelle saying “I’m Rick James, Bitch!” and wanted to make him pay. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/24-thread-for-4-6-spoilers/238695.md?page=1)