# 25% of college women get raped? 10% of all men get raped? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 25, 2006, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098 "2006-04-25T03:27:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/81 "2006-05-01T13:45:05Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > But, that wasn’t the question for the rape statistic as quoted (“have you ever had sex you wouldn’t have had otherwise because of alcohol?”). It’s not “have you ever had sex you wouldn’t have _wanted to_ otherwise because of alcohol”. That’s fundamentally the same question. The “Wouldn’t have wanted to” is implied in the first sentence. What other effect could alcohol have? I would agree you can be a major creep for taking advantage of the sitution, but you can be a major creep for taking advantage of a lot of situations. If you sleep with someone who’s married to someone else but they’re upset at their spouse and vulnerable, that makes you a creep. It’s not rape, though. ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/82 "2006-05-01T20:08:30Z")
> [@SisterCoyote](#): > > I hear this a lot. Unfortunately, it’s just not true, and there are cases of men being raped by women, where the man got an erection due to anxiety or fear (it may never have happened to you, but my understanding is that it does happen). I should also note that penetrative intercourse isn’t the only way a person can be sexually assaulted. Many sexual assaults of boys, for example, are perpetrated by women (usually relatives), and as I understand it they don’t typically involve getting the boy to penetrate the woman. As for this whole issue, there’s a problem of definition, namely that a lot of groups with a “pro-survivor” philosophy, as it’s called, basically call a sexual encounter rape or sexual assault if the survivor believes that he or she was violated, no matter what the circumstances may be. Now obviously this is inadequate for legal purposes, but that’s not really the point, as these groups mainly aim to support the survivor rather than go after the perpetrator; and a person who feels that he or she has been raped is going to need support whether or not something legally actionable took place. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/83 "2006-05-02T13:22:21Z")
I should note that you almost never hear a man say something like “Hey lady! Quit sucking my cock or I’m going to call the cops!” ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/84 "2006-05-02T15:49:20Z")
**Matt** , you are absolutely right and I should have included that in my answer. **msmith** , you may not. I’m willing to be it’s been said somehow, somewhere, though. Or, worse, the guy had internalized that attitude and thought he was supposed to be enjoying being taken advantage of when he wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/85 "2006-05-02T17:07:36Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I should note that you almost never hear a man say something like “Hey lady! Quit sucking my cock or I’m going to call the cops!” Well, if the reason he’s got an erection is because he’s being strangled ( as mentioned above ), he’s not likely to be saying much of anything, is he ? ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/86 "2006-05-03T02:52:20Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’m a police officer. The homeowner called 911. \*\* Note to self \*\* leave knives at the NY/NJ border, hidden in tall weeds. Retrieve upon heading back home. I’m glad you waited that second or two. That’s the difference in judgement that defines a mature law enforcement officer. Good on ya. 🙂 Cartooniverse ---
**Author:** ![drhess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@drhess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drhess)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/87 "2006-05-03T21:28:19Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Does a person have to say “no” in order for it to be rape? Let’s suppose that the woman is drunk and the man is sober. They have sex that she didn’t want to have, but she was too drunk to offer any resistance. That’s rape, right? Even if the guy feels that she just submitted, didn’t put up a fight, didn’t say no? I mean legally, since I’m sure people’s opinions will be all over the place on this one. I’m assuming that “Well, she was too drunk to say no, your honor!” is not a defense. On quick look, I think the wording of the question needs to match the wording of the WI law quoted. Power over another is usually force if one is made to do something against one’s will. The problem with drugs, of course, is that one’s will changes…although, as noted, perhaps it’s an intentional change. The definition of impairment seems to be the issue here. When are you so impaired that consent is not possible even if you engage in behaviors “normally” taken to be giving consent? And when does the other party “know it”? Factual question for lawyers: are many date rapes with alchohol prosecuted successfully? What about with GHB? With evidence, if non-consensual statements (witness heard victim say no, etc.) or evidence that victim was passed out are not found, do the causes hinge on? Signs of physical battery? What if lacking that? ---
**Author:** ![drhess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@drhess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drhess)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/88 "2006-05-03T21:33:11Z")
With should be “What” ---
**Author:** ![Othersider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/cab0a1/32.png) [@Othersider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Othersider)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2006, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/89 "2006-05-05T07:09:23Z")
> [@athelas](#): > > Seriously; the silliness of this definition is clear when one realizes that it would never apply when the roles are reversed. Although this conversation would be mildly amusing: > > Woman: You **raped** me! > Man: No, **you** raped **me**! You saw that _Law & Order_ too, eh? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2006, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/90 "2006-05-05T15:28:04Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Well, if the reason he’s got an erection is because he’s being strangled ( as mentioned above ), he’s not likely to be saying much of anything, is he ? Sign language. 🙂 -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Endless\_Flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e480ec/32.png) [@Endless\_Flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Endless_Flight)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2006, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/91 "2006-05-05T21:04:16Z")
I look at the 25% figure and I wonder if it’s a bit too low. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2006, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098/92 "2006-05-06T01:06:16Z")
Um…okay…cite? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/25-of-college-women-get-raped-10-of-all-men-get-raped/354098.md?page=4)