# ≠

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/264885>\
**Category:** About This Message Board\
**Created:** [September 18, 2004, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/264885 "2004-09-18T19:32:46Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/41 "2004-09-22T01:51:25Z")

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> [@Loopydude](#):
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> How the crap do you make those super- and subscripted characters?

You may either use the tags or & # 8482 (™) w/o the spaces. There’re a whole list of codes that work. I forget where exactly I got them. But i was able to download a ‘Help’ menu thingy that has them all. They are HTML entities,whatever that means.

poke aroun here: [http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/](http://www.htmlhelp.com/distribution/) & [http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/](http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/)

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**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/42 "2004-09-22T01:54:31Z")

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≠≠≠≠

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**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/43 "2004-09-22T01:56:02Z")

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Holy crap it worked!

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**Author:** ![Iacob\_Matthew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Iacob\_Matthew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iacob_Matthew)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/44 "2004-09-22T02:23:44Z")

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‽ &#8253 ‽‽‽ &8253

‽ &#8253 ‽‽‽ &8253

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**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/45 "2004-09-22T03:02:31Z")

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Some things are easier than others.

蛇

😃

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**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/46 "2004-09-22T03:21:16Z")

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> [@AHunter3](#):
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> Well damn. We Mac folks have authentic “doesn’t-equals” signs as part of our normal upper ASCII (option-equals) but the board doesn’t take it!
> 
> I assume the OP was entering them using Unicode?

≠ _is_ a Unicode character, but …

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**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/47 "2004-09-22T03:46:16Z")

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[sup]Oh[/sup] [sub]me[/sub] [sup]oh[/sup] [sub]my[/sub],

```auto

it works!

```

…hopefully

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**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/48 "2004-09-22T04:44:10Z")

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[vBcode tips](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1956119#post1956119)

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**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/49 "2004-09-22T13:05:59Z")

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†±¢ µ§ù♦£ ßü§þå©¶&  
Hmmm. It appears that HTML name codes don’t work (contrary to what is described in **Arnold’s** link to [here](http://home.earthlink.net/~awinkelried/keyboard_shortcuts.html).

I can’t use the ALT-nnnn approach because my laptop doesn’t have a separate numeric keypad.

The HTML number codes work though…  
?±¢ µ§ù?£ ßü§þå©¶&

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**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/50 "2004-09-22T18:21:55Z")

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> [@Algernon](#):
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> Hmmm. It appears that HTML name codes don’t work (contrary to what is described in **Arnold’s** link to [here](http://home.earthlink.net/~awinkelried/keyboard_shortcuts.html).

This problem began with the latest vB release we got. Arnold’s reference was coded before that, when the character entity references still worked here.

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**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/51 "2004-09-22T20:42:34Z")

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> [@Algernon](#):
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> †±¢ µ§ù♦£ ßü§þå©¶&

&badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &badger; &mushroom; &mushroom;

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**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/52 "2004-09-23T03:51:17Z")

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Shucks! I’ll have to fix that page.

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**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/53 "2004-09-23T03:52:43Z")

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By the way, Algernon, most laptops have some keys on the keyboard that work the same as the numeric keypad. Don’t some of the letters on your laptop have little arabic numerals printed in the corner?

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**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/54 "2004-09-23T04:31:58Z")

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> [@rowrrbazzle](#):
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> This problem began with the latest vB release we got. Arnold’s reference was coded before that, when the character entity references still worked here.

Does that mean we can’t use characters like " ≠ " anymore?

_Sob_

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**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\
**Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/55 "2004-09-23T13:11:54Z")

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> [@Arnold Winkelried](#):
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> By the way, Algernon, most laptops have some keys on the keyboard that work the same as the numeric keypad. Don’t some of the letters on your laptop have little arabic numerals printed in the corner?

Son of a gun. Sure enough. Little blue numerals that I never saw before. :smack:

I imagine if I use them in conjunction with the little blue “fn” key it’ll work. Let’s see: I’ll try the copyright symbol various ways…  
by HTML name (which I know doesn’t work): “©” comes out as ©  
by HTML number: “©” comes out as ©  
by Windows code: “alt+fn+0169” comes out as ©

Cool. Thanks **Arnold**.

Another change in this version of vB that I noticed is that in the old days I could discover how a post was composed by clicking on the Quote button. Nowdays, the actual coding is still hidden when I click on the Reply button. Even the Preview Post button “destroys” the original coding.

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**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/56 "2004-09-24T04:33:02Z")

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> [@GorillaMan](#):
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> Ackkkk! _One_ zig-zag line!!!

Noooooooo…

Two arrows pointing in opposite directions, intersecting.

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**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/57 "2004-09-24T07:15:43Z")

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how’dya make the not-equal sign?

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**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/58 "2004-09-24T16:01:29Z")

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> [@furt](#):
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> how’dya make the not-equal sign?

& # 8 8 0 0 ;

w/o the spaces of course

≠

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**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/59 "2004-09-24T16:13:14Z")

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I found [this listing of the full(?) HTML character set.](http://www.natural-innovations.com/wa/doc-charset.html)

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**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t//264885/60 "2004-09-24T21:16:20Z")

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> [@Ice Wolf](#):
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> The train just went along the tracks, or did some kind of a fancy flick around?
> 
> Does the zig-zag stand for electricity?

No, the zig-zag is the result of two pointers (arrowheads) pointing in opposite directions (left & right).

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