# 27 dead, 18 children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 14, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050 "2012-12-14T18:38:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fool_in_the_Rain)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/1 "2012-12-14T18:38:51Z")
[http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/state-police-respond-to-report-of-school-shooting-in-newtown-conn-lockdown-in-place/2012/12/14/df59a9aa-4602-11e2-8c8f-fbebf7ccab4e\_story.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/state-police-respond-to-report-of-school-shooting-in-newtown-conn-lockdown-in-place/2012/12/14/df59a9aa-4602-11e2-8c8f-fbebf7ccab4e_story.html) > [@](#): > > NEWTOWN, Conn. — A shooting at a Connecticut elementary school Friday left 27 people dead, including 18 children, an official said. > > The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still under way. Another official, speaking on condition of anonymity for the same reason, said the gunman at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown was killed and apparently had two guns. I pit the scumbag, asshole, piece of shit, lousy excuse for a human being who harms kids. Not the guns, not the seller, not the broken locks, not the whatever-you-want-to-put-here excuses. I pit those who hurt kids. If you want to kill, kill yourself and leave the rest of us the fuck alone. LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!!! Burn a slow excruciating painful fiery death for eternity. FUCK! ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/2 "2012-12-14T18:40:52Z")
[Already being discussed.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=675555) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/3 "2012-12-14T18:41:30Z")
Pretty soon the gun nuts will check in with their masturbatory fantasies about how more people packing heat would have gotten to the shooter before the cops could. And of course “NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT GUNS!” Jesus titty-fucking Christ. How many people have to die for your fucking “right” to a steel phallus? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/4 "2012-12-14T18:41:34Z")
Yeah fuck people who hurt kids. People who hurt adults are cool though. It ain’t my thing but if it’s your gig more power to ya. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/5 "2012-12-14T18:42:57Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > How many people have to die for your fucking “right” to a steel phallus? As far as I’m concerned everyone, including kids, but me. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/6 "2012-12-14T18:43:19Z")
This is the cost of our gun laws. It’s not going to change, we’ve decided a big pile of dead people every once is a while is not too high a price to pay so that gun fetishist can get their boners. ---
**Author:** ![Zjestika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8edcca/32.png) [@Zjestika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zjestika)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/7 "2012-12-14T18:43:23Z")
If I ever have a love one murdered horrifically I would like, out of respect for me and my family, for everyone to IMMEDIATELY begin discussing the United States’ horrible gun control laws. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/8 "2012-12-14T18:49:56Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > This is the cost of our gun laws. Precisely. The only way to make a difference is an amendment. It’s time for an amendment to the constitution that limits gun ownership. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/9 "2012-12-14T18:50:14Z")
My parents are both avid believers in gun rights and are saying this sort of stuff is caused by violent video games and that we need to make our schools more secure. God forbid I mentioned that perhaps we might need stricter gun laws or, gasp, bans on assault weapons. Because if these people wanted to kill people, they’d get the guns one way or another. I just gave up. It’s not worth the fight. Sometimes I wish these people wouldn’t shoot themselves though, just for no other reason than to find out their reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/10 "2012-12-14T18:55:55Z")
> [@Zjestika](#): > > If I ever have a love one murdered horrifically I would like, out of respect for me and my family, for everyone to IMMEDIATELY begin discussing the United States’ horrible gun control laws. My local paper doesn’t get Miss Manners; how long would you say should be a respectful amount of time to wait before discussing the laws that led to your loved one’s murder? I’m not sure “Wait 'til the body’s cold” is a sufficient answer- it seems we’re getting these shootings so often now that there’s always a cooling body somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/11 "2012-12-14T18:58:12Z")
If only all the children had been armed, this could have been avoided. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/12 "2012-12-14T18:58:12Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > My parents are both avid believers in gun rights and are saying this sort of stuff is caused by violent video games and that we need to make our schools more secure. God forbid I mentioned that perhaps we might need stricter gun laws or, gasp, bans on assault weapons. Because if these people wanted to kill people, they’d get the guns one way or another. I just gave up. It’s not worth the fight. Sometimes I wish these people wouldn’t shoot themselves though, just for no other reason than to find out their reasoning. It’s true! In countries like England, where this kind of thing is much more rare, they could totally get the guns one way or another. It’s because _they don’t have video games_. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/13 "2012-12-14T19:00:14Z")
Kids, today’s lesson is brought to you by the letters N, R, and A. Fucking assholes. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/14 "2012-12-14T19:05:10Z")
> [@bup](#): > > It’s true! In countries like England, where this kind of thing is much more rare, they could totally get the guns one way or another. It’s because _they don’t have video games_. Yeah tell me about it. Something like this happened in Scotland in 1996! And THEY have gun laws. So clearly gun laws don’t prevent violence. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/15 "2012-12-14T19:05:10Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > This is the cost of our gun laws. It’s not going to change, we’ve decided a big pile of dead people every once is a while is not too high a price to pay so that gun fetishist can get their boners. An extremely tragic event, obviously. But I would rather keep our gun laws exactly the way they are – and put up with the occasional massacre – than enact ultra-strict gun control measures that would guarantee something like this would never occur. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/16 "2012-12-14T19:06:26Z")
Well then you are a fucking idiot. ETA: I also assume you suffer from sexual disfunction that is alleviated by fondling guns. We’re done with you, you’re attitudes are a cancer. ---
**Author:** ![Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8491ac/32.png) [@Fool\_in\_the\_Rain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fool_in_the_Rain)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/17 "2012-12-14T19:06:52Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Yeah fuck people who hurt kids. **People who hurt adults are cool though. It ain’t my thing but if it’s your gig more power to ya.** \ This made me chuckle **Drunky** , not my intent, but I like your sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/18 "2012-12-14T19:08:04Z")
Good timing [Michigan](http://www.freep.com/article/20121214/NEWS15/312140129/State-House-Senate-pass-bill-allowing-guns-carried-more-places)! ---
**Author:** ![Zjestika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8edcca/32.png) [@Zjestika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zjestika)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/19 "2012-12-14T19:11:44Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > My local paper doesn’t get Miss Manners; how long would you say should be a respectful amount of time to wait before discussing the laws that led to your loved one’s murder? I’m not sure “Wait 'til the body’s cold” is a sufficient answer- it seems we’re getting these shootings so often now that there’s always a cooling body somewhere. Maybe you thought I was being sarcastic. I would like the guns laws to be discussed in the very first Associated Press article reporting the incident, if possible. In the headline. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Doom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Dr\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Doom)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/20 "2012-12-14T19:16:15Z")
> [@lost4life](#): > > Good timing [Michigan](http://www.freep.com/article/20121214/NEWS15/312140129/State-House-Senate-pass-bill-allowing-guns-carried-more-places)! > [@](#): > > Schools, however, and privately owned facilities could opt out of the new law if they don’t want people carrying guns in their buildings. What in the ever-lovin’ FUCK is wrong with that government? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050.md?page=2)