# 27 dead, 18 children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 14, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050 "2012-12-14T18:38:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/281 "2012-12-15T02:46:05Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > Again, none of the commonly proposed gun control regs would have stopped this shooting. Licensing, registration? We just know who the shooter is a lot quicker, and can say, “Yep, that’s his lawfully registered handgun.” Waiting periods? Anyone willing to do what happened today is not going to be detered by a 5, 10, or even 30 day wait. Magazine size restrictions? The Columbine Killers used 10-round magazines, which were the federally prescribed size-limit imposed by the Brady Assault Weapons Ban. Ban semi-auto handguns? Revolvers with speed loaders would be more than sufficient for this guy’s purpose. OK, then ban speed loaders too. And limit magazines to 6 rounds. No, it still won’t prevent ALL the killings. Might slow 'em down a bit. I think that’s worth doing. You don’t, or you’re offended by the meager imposition on your ‘rights,’ whichever. That’s the difference between you and me. > [@](#): > > HIPPA laws and similar privacy protection regs, none of which I can recall the NRA sponsoring or lobbying for (not to say that they are for or against them one way or another, I just don’t recall getting any NRA mailers on the subject) do more to block identifying potential crazies. The school counselor for the Colorado Theater Shooter had all the info she needed to raise a serious red flag about him, but took a “not my job” attitude since he was dropping out of school. Well the bit about the school counselor proves…what? That somebody dropped the ball? I’d like a cite that HIPAA prevents anyone from saying to the proper authorities, “this person shouldn’t be allowed to buy a gun.” Of course, without gun registration, that wouldn’t do shit anyway; you just go down to the gun show and buy your arsenal there. (Yeah, I know, there’s no gun show loophole. You can just buy a lot of guns there without restrictions on the transfer.) > [@](#): > > Blaming guns, or acces to guns, for stuff like this is like blaming easy access to alcohol or marijuana for Bath Salts Killers, or dunk drivers who kill someone while drunk as a skunk behind the wheel of a car. People commit crimes, full stop. And if people had to commit crimes with knives or blunt instruments, it would be tough for them to kill 26 people at once, wouldn’t it now? > [@](#): > > Unless you want to repeal the 2nd, ban all guns, go house-to-house conducting thorough searches (serious 4th Ad. issues there), and start imprisoning people at rates that make our current “Highest Incarceration Rate In The World” look like chump-change, you are not going to stop these incidents. Maybe not. But how about let’s _try_ stuff that doesn’t involve taking away your guns, but _might_ make mass murder a bit harder, okay? > [@](#): > > I agree with other that express the view that sensationalised media feeds the kind of people who would do these kinds of acts with motivation; it’s why these things come in spates. Pissed off, angry, lonely, feeling rejected and neglected? And want to get even, and be SOMEBODY? Kill 20+ people and go out in ablaze of angry glory, and you’ll get your 15 minutes of \*(in)_fam_(y)\*e. So…what are you proposing - that the media suspend their normal judgment of what’s newsworthy when it involves a gun? > [@](#): > > Here’s an idea: peel back or otherwise modify HIPPA and other patient privacy acts so that physicians and social workers can identify and report people they think may be potential threats for these kinds of things; encourage people to come forward to identify friends or family members who might, a) be having the kinds of problems, and expressing the kinds of sentiments, that typically lead up to these kinds of shootings, and, b) have access to firearms, or express interest in aquiring them. I’d actually be good with that, if HIPAA is actually a problem - \*as long as we can keep the people reported as potential threats from buying guns in the first place. \* Because, you know, that would be _something_, and something’s better than nothing. But the NRA has fought that, tooth and nail. And largely won. So WTF good would it do? ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/282 "2012-12-15T02:56:13Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I see the light now. clearly you don’t and only have some agenda you wish to tend. Continue to busy yourself with building strawmen. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/283 "2012-12-15T03:01:27Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Okay, **Hentor** , I spent a half hour looking for that particular bit of info and couldn’t find it. I give up. Move on with your next stage of arguments. Does it actually matter? > > We’ve had two dozen studies of the issue, some peer reviewed in major academic journals, that put the number between 108k-5m. The fact that I can’t find the source of funding for one that came up with a 250k number is pretty much irrelevant in all this, unless you think that all of those studies are lies created by gun rights advocate propoganda. I can find more cites of peer reviewers who were inclined to believe that DGU numbers were inflated but were convinced by the methodology if you’d like, I already linked to one. > > So let’s see if you have anything more than pedantic nitpicking, please proceed governor. You’re the one who foisted the fake number. You did it to advance your agenda. You obvoiusly wanted to make the case for a favorable risk/benefit ratio for guns. So my point is that your argument was based on a fiction. Also, learn what peer reviewed means. Opinion pieces aren’t peer reviewed. ---
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/284 "2012-12-15T03:01:52Z")
Here’s a description of the gunman from the New York Times: [http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/adam-lanza-an-enigma-who-is-now-identified-as-a-mass-killer.html?\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/adam-lanza-an-enigma-who-is-now-identified-as-a-mass-killer.html?_r=0) > [@](#): > > He carried a black briefcase to his 10th-grade honors English class, and sat near the door so he could readily slip in and out. When called upon, he was intelligent, but nervous and fidgety, spitting his words out, as if having to speak up were painful. > > Pale, tall and scrawny, Adam Lanza walked through high school in Newtown, Conn., with his hands glued to his sides, the pens in the pocket of his short-sleeve, button-down shirts among the few things that his classmates recalled about him. > > He did all he could to avoid attention, it seemed. > > Until Friday. Looks like another case of beta-male rage. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/285 "2012-12-15T03:02:13Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > [GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense?](http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html) > > There’ve been over a dozen surveys which average somewhere over the 1 million mark. There was indeed one that came up with only 108k, but it was fairly flawed, as per the description there. But fine, let’s go with 108k. Ignoring the 108k positive defensive gun uses is ignoring a huge part of the equation. I went to your link, and saw something I actually know something about, which they were absolutely and totally wrong about. From your link: > [@](#): > > In short, it is made very clear to [National Crime Victimization Survey] respondents that they are, in effect, speaking to a law enforcement arm of the federal government, whose employees know exactly who the respondents and their family members are, where they live, and how they can be recontacted." You mean, with language like [this?](http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/ncvs104.pdf) > [@](#): > > We [the U.S. Census Bureau, which the interviewer would have already identified him/herself as a field rep of] are conducting this survey under the authority of Title 13, United States Code, Section 8. Section 9 of this law requires us to keep all information about you and your household strictly confidential. We may use this information only for statistical purposes. Also, Title 42, Section 3732, United States Code, authorizes the Bureau of Justice Statistics, Department of Justice, to collect information using this survey. Title 42, Sections 3789g and 3735, United States Code, also requires us to keep all information about you and your household strictly confidential. If they gratuitously lie about something like that, I’m not inclined to take seriously anything else they say. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/286 "2012-12-15T03:06:51Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Someone please explain to me how a fear of the law & criminal punishment was going to deter a man who committed (by my count) 108 counts of murder, aggravated assault, battery, using a firearm in the commission of a felony, and then blew his own brains out. > > It’s not like there weren’t laws against what he did. How would another law have changed this situation? No, that’s about the only thing the NRA is for: more strict punishment for people who commit gun crimes. And no, it doesn’t work, for exactly the reasons you give. The restrictions that might help are restrictions on the _attributes of the guns_ one can legally own and purchase. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/287 "2012-12-15T03:12:16Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > No, that’s about the only thing the NRA is for: more strict punishment for people who commit gun crimes. And no, it doesn’t work, for exactly the reasons you give. > > The restrictions that might help are restrictions on the _attributes of the guns_ one can legally own and purchase. And perhaps addressing the role of mental illness in these types of crimes as well? ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/288 "2012-12-15T03:22:12Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > You’re the one who foisted the fake number. You did it to advance your agenda. You obvoiusly wanted to make the case for a favorable risk/benefit ratio for guns. > > So my point is that your argument was based on a fiction. > > Also, learn what peer reviewed means. Opinion pieces aren’t peer reviewed. It’s his modus operandi: _See_ [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15351906&postcount=33](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15351906&postcount=33) ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/289 "2012-12-15T03:22:38Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > No, that’s about the only thing the NRA is for: more strict punishment for people who commit gun crimes. And no, it doesn’t work, for exactly the reasons you give. > > The restrictions that might help are restrictions on the _attributes of the guns_ one can legally own and purchase. And again, I have to ask how realistic is it that a man in the frame of mind to commit 108 deadly felonies is going to stop and say “oh, dang, gun law says my pistol has illegal attributes. Guess I’d better hold up the killing spree until I can get the paperwork straight.” ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/290 "2012-12-15T03:27:59Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Quite possibly the single most retarded thing you’ve ever said. I’d be sad if I wasn’t so impressed. You CLEARLY didn’t read through the Penn State thread. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/291 "2012-12-15T03:29:27Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > And again, I have to ask how realistic is it that a man in the frame of mind to commit 108 deadly felonies is going to stop and say “oh, dang, gun law says my pistol has illegal attributes. Guess I’d better hold up the killing spree until I can get the paperwork straight.” Nobody thinks that modifying the law is going to magically alter his murderous intentions. However, restricting access to guns (which gun regulation would do) will limit his ability to execute his intentions. Now you are going to make the facile argument: Well, how would implementing a regulatory regime reduce access to guns? We make marijuana illegal and you can still get marijuana, hurr durr. Of course, it is more difficult to get marijuana now that it is illegal. Were it legal to sell, like liquor and cigarettes, I’d be able to traipse on over to my local Jewels and buy some. But it’s not, and accordingly, it is commensurately more difficult to get weed. But if you are prepared to prove up the contention: It is typically equally easy to obtain contraband as it is to obtain permissible articles of commerce — I welcome your demonstration of this point. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/292 "2012-12-15T03:33:43Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > You do know that is an Onion article right? It’s a parody newspaper. It’s not a real story, they make stuff up for comedy and hyperbole. Yes I know, it was a joke ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/293 "2012-12-15T03:39:25Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Last year, Handguns killed > > 48 people in Japan. > 8 people in Great Britain. > 34 people in Switzerland. > 52 people in Canada. > 58 people in Israel. > 21 people in Sweden. > 42 people in West Germany. > 10, 728 people in The United States. > > NOT from the Onion. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > See? Gun laws didn’t stop people being killed in all those other countries! So obviously it’s totally useless to try in the US. > > (West Germany?) This showed up in my FB newsfeed, complete with the original poster - from 1981 (which explains the West Germany). It was put out by Handgun Control Inc., the predecessor to the Brady Campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/294 "2012-12-15T03:50:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > And maybe this conservative kind of likes **olives** and sees her showing signs of depression and suicidal ideation because of the way people in this thread are acting and he figures it’s more important for her to see that the world and the people in it aren’t as bad as she thinks, and that perhaps if she turned away from the type of political mindset that dwells almost exclusively on what’s wrong with the world she might benefit accordingly. I told her I wasn’t kidding and I wasn’t. And I wasn’t kidding when I said I’m sick of politics. I have been avoiding politics for weeks and I have been so much happier. I also have no particular ideological underpinning when it comes to gun control. I grew up in a house with guns and in the gun culture, I don’t like them, I don’t understand why people love them so much, but I don’t really care if people have them, either. My immediate thought when anything like this happens is that it underscores the need for comprehensive and competent mental health care in this country… however, the idea that this issue would be resolved with a simple policy change of any kind strikes me as ludicrous. I’ve studied social issues enough to know that they are extremely complex. And naturally I have to think of the kids I know who are exposed to constant violence and nobody ever talks about it, nobody grieves for them. When I think about what they go through every day, it makes me want to spit nails. Nothing we do will ever be enough to put an end to it. You know, it’s just one of those events that’s attached to so many different emotions and thoughts and attitudes that one can’t help but feel overwhelmed by a sense of negativity. I’m depressed today. I get melodramatic when I’m depressed. No hidden liberal agenda. Just the same old bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/295 "2012-12-15T03:52:10Z")
> [@Sateryn76](#): > > Yeah, I think I’m over the gun thing. Shooting can be an enjoyable activity, but those who indulge it have character flaws. Don’t even get me started on people who enjoy hunting - just weird, creepy power hungry fuckers. > > I’m not going to get political about it in real life, but I’m over it. “I don’t understand it so I’ll demonize it.” ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/296 "2012-12-15T04:00:22Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Nope. > > Giving a choice between a) keeping my guns and living with the current crime rate, and b) giving up my guns and a guarantee there will never be another murder in this country using a firearm, I would choose the former. Seems like an easy problem to deal with. We just make sure all the crimes happen to you and people who think like you. We remove your police protection, so you become a target. If you are not a sociopath, as you claim then you can’t be okay with other people dying and not be okay with you dying. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/297 "2012-12-15T04:01:52Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > And I wasn’t kidding when I said I’m sick of politics. I have been avoiding politics for weeks and I have been so much happier. I also have no particular ideological underpinning when it comes to gun control. I grew up in a house with guns and in the gun culture, I don’t like them, I don’t understand why people love them so much, but I don’t really care if people have them, either. My immediate thought when anything like this happens is that it underscores the need for comprehensive and competent mental health care in this country… however, the idea that this issue would be resolved with a simple policy change of any kind strikes me as ludicrous. I’ve studied social issues enough to know that they are extremely complex. And naturally I have to think of the kids I know who are exposed to constant violence and nobody ever talks about it, nobody grieves for them. When I think about what they go through every day, it makes me want to spit nails. Nothing we do will ever be enough to put an end to it. You know, it’s just one of those events that’s attached to so many different emotions and thoughts and attitudes that one can’t help but feel overwhelmed by a sense of negativity. > > I’m depressed today. I get melodramatic when I’m depressed. No hidden liberal agenda. Just the same old bullshit. I’m sorry you’re depressed, and I’m glad you were feeling happier when you were avoiding politics. But I resigned my position on the **olivesmarch4th** Happiness Brigade a long time ago, so please try to understand when I say, “Go fuck off somewhere else then. This isn’t about you or your goddamned feelings.” Thanks for understanding. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/298 "2012-12-15T04:05:20Z")
Anyway, politically there is little real chance of any kind of blanket gun banning in the United States. Even getting something like the assault weapons ban (which even most liberals agree in retrospect banned nothing of consequence and just focused on silly misconceptions about firearms and banned weapons that were hardly being used in crimes in any case) is probably highly unlikely, despite Obama’s vague campaign claims. What should be focused on instead of trying to ban individual types of weapons, is individual level licensing and certification. While a few of the spree shooters obtained their weapons illegally, most didn’t. Further, the real “important” aspect of gun crime in America are the thousands of non-spree shooting gun homicides. I’m a gun owner, but I view gun ownership as imposing behavior responsibilities, morally, on the gun owner. You shouldn’t leave your guns where they can be easily taken, nor where they can be easily found with children. You shouldn’t sell guns to unstable people. You shouldn’t use the guns dangerously. I think those are moral responsibilities that some individuals who own guns do not live up to, and I’ve be fine with those being enforced by law. Through: 1. Mandatory education and safety courses. 2. Legal storage requirements. I would not enforce these through inspections as that’s too much of a constitutional violation (but I’ve pointed out in other threads today this is done in other countries), but I’d stipulate anything “bad happening” because you failed in this you become massively criminally and civilly liable, and lose all your guns and rights to purchase any guns ever again. 3. Strict prohibition on ownership for people in certain classes. (All felons, certain types of misdemeanants, former mental patients etc.) 4. Prohibitions on untracked private transfers and sales. 5. Psychiatric review prior to licensing for “at-risk” populations. Namely young males, people who have divorce or custody proceedings ongoing in family court, people who recently lost their jobs etc. In all reality if you just made it a lot less convenient for **young men** to legally acquire firearms I think you’d see a dramatic decrease in firearms deaths. If someone is interested in planning something for months, no, it would not stop that. But most young men who kill with guns didn’t plan it for months. They happened into a gun, bought it from a friend, bought it legally on a lark or etc, then got into a stupid situation where they used the gun. Or they got involved in a crime and brought the gun with them, and made it a more serious crime. If you made it as hard to get a gun as it is to register to vote, I promise you most young men would no longer bother. If you made it even harder, and required all the classes and licenses and psychiatric approval it’d drop farther still. That’ll do a lot more than fruitless things like the assault weapon bans that “ban guns that scare people.” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/299 "2012-12-15T04:10:43Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I’m sorry you’re depressed, and I’m glad you were feeling happier when you were avoiding politics. But I resigned my position on the **olivesmarch4th** Happiness Brigade a long time ago, so please try to understand when I say, “Go fuck off somewhere else then. This isn’t about you or your goddamned feelings.” > > Thanks for understanding. Well, to be frank, she wasn’t talking to you, asspipe, she was answering a post and points I’d addressed to her. Plus this is a public message board of which she’s a member in good standing and therefore just as entitled to post about her feelings just like many other posters in this thread have posted about theirs. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/300 "2012-12-15T04:21:04Z")
There’s no point. Kimmy\_Gibbler has made it clear that he’s a psychopath for quite a long time. He just admitted once again that he doesn’t care about other people. That’s the exact same problem that Crafter Man has. It’s no wonder he doesn’t want us fighting with him. The only difference between **Kimmy\_Gibbler** and **Crafter Man** is that the former is a bit smarter and knows how to throw in a little bit of pretending like he cares. Fortunately for us, the cracks show in the facade all the time. For instance, you don’t fucking curse someone out while at the same time saying you are happy for them. The two concepts are completely in contradiction. You don’t think he’s going on about changing the second amendment because he actually thinks it could happen, do you? It just makes him look good, like he’s against the killings, while at the same time allowing him to blast everyone who wants to actually do something about it that might actually work. And now watch for him coming back and insulting me, another person with a mental disorder, because, despite claiming to be a lawyer, he’s never once been able to make a true argument when someone disagrees with him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050.md?page=16)