# 27 dead, 18 children **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 14, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050 "2012-12-14T18:38:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/441 "2012-12-15T22:42:01Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Yes. > > What I’m commenting on is it seems you guys have some of pre-existing beef that I hadn’t noticed til this thread. Pretty much anybody on this board who has been around awhile and values the facts has a pre-existing beef with **SA**. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/442 "2012-12-15T22:53:30Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Yes. > > What I’m commenting on is it seems you guys have some of pre-existing beef that I hadn’t noticed til this thread. It’s years old but it only arises occasionally. He spends most of his time in GD and I spend most of mine here. It’s pretty much oil and water when we wind up in the same thread at the same time though. However, I’ve got other stuff to do now so I’m gonna bow out for awhile. Note to **April R** : When I said “supporting people,” I had a little more in mind than food stamps, as I would have thought would be apparent from my other comments. Guess not though, huh? And note to **RT** : Do you dispute the factuality of my description of today’s society and the problems we have with our schools and our youth, and the fact that these problems have grown out of our abandonment of the values and disciplines that were commonplace prior to the counterculture revolution of the late sixties? I’m not seeing much argument to any of that; it seems to be a given. All I’m seeing by way of response is personal attacks on me. But be that as it may, I’ve gotta go. Later. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/443 "2012-12-15T22:55:20Z")
Translation: “I’m lying my ass off and will be back in less than 15 minutes.” ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/444 "2012-12-15T22:58:00Z")
I’d still like to know what city it is that had 200 murders in 2011 and is on track for 330 in 2012, because I sure can’t find it. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/445 "2012-12-15T23:01:36Z")
It doesn’t exist. He’s lying. Again. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/446 "2012-12-15T23:03:35Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I > > Note to **April R** : When I said “supporting people,” I had a little more in mind than food stamps, as I would have thought would be apparent from my other comments. Guess not though, huh? > r. And I mentioned more than Food Stamps. I mentioned government insurance. And we have also been the benefactors of child care assistance and WIC. But since getting that assistance helped me to make ends meet when we needed and allowed me to use my resources to go through school and get a decent job (which by the way doesn’t cover all our basic expenses like food, rent, childcare, car payments, etc) we still need to get help through our church since the government says we aren’t poor enough anymore for help. But hearing the facts doesn’t sit right with your version of reality so you will just dismiss my comments again I am sure. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/447 "2012-12-15T23:11:39Z")
Is my impression correct that the pedophile apologist has managed to make a thread about the murder of 27 people, including 20 children, all about him and his deluded need for the 50s? Disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/448 "2012-12-15T23:11:40Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Translation: “I’m lying my ass off and will be back in less than 15 minutes.” Of course he needs 15 minutes. With all this talk about guns and 12 year old boys, SA has a raging boner that he needs to go rub out. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/449 "2012-12-15T23:19:05Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Is my impression correct that the pedophile apologist has managed to make a thread about the murder of 27 people, including 20 children, all about him and his deluded need for the 50s? > > Disgusting. Why should this thread be any different than the other threads he posts in? In other news, 11 girls ages 6 and 7. 9 boys ages 6 and 7. Bless them and their families. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/450 "2012-12-15T23:22:03Z")
Here are some interesting facts: St. Louis, MO was named the most dangerous City by the FBI in 2010. Just looking at murders: In 2011, the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department reported 113 homicides, falling 21% from 2010 > **[Crime in St. Louis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_St._Louis)** > > Crime in St. Louis includes an overview of crime both in the city of St. Louis and in the Greater St. Louis metropolitan area. Crime in the city increased from the 1960s through the early 1990s as measured by the index crime rate, followed by a decline in crime rates through 2014. Despite decreasing crime, rates of violent crime and property crime in both the city and the metropolitan area remain higher than the national metropolitan area average. In addition, the city of St. Louis consistentl Pr... From this article in the NY Times in 1921 there were 426 murders reported. [http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60D13FB3F5D1A7A93C6A9178DD85F468285F9](http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F60D13FB3F5D1A7A93C6A9178DD85F468285F9) Which I think is a 73% drop in murders from 1921 to 2010 (in the most dangerous city in the US). So I am hard pressed to figure out where in the world **SA** lives. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/451 "2012-12-15T23:22:47Z")
And so **Starving Artist** successfully trolls another thread, turning what was threatening to become an interesting argument into yet another episode of the Starving Artist show, thanks to doper’s inability to let an offensive yet ultimately harmless moron alone. Well done dopers, well done. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/452 "2012-12-15T23:25:11Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Is my impression correct that the pedophile apologist has managed to make a thread about the murder of 27 people, including 20 children, all about him and his deluded need for the 50s? > > Disgusting. The impression I got was that the idiots who can’t resist taking his bait derailed a thread about the evils of hoarding massive amounts of ammunition and military style semi-automatic weapons. Hmmm maybe I got the wrong impression too. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/453 "2012-12-16T00:55:24Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > And so **Starving Artist** successfully trolls another thread, turning what was threatening to become an interesting argument into yet another episode of the Starving Artist show, thanks to doper’s inability to let an offensive yet ultimately harmless moron alone. Well done dopers, well done. Oh! This pit thread is indelibly stained! Besmirched beyond redemption! You bastards! You ruined it all!!! ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/454 "2012-12-16T02:06:54Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > What is this, “if high capacity clips are outlawed, then crazy loners will magically have access to high capacity clips?” The only magical thinking is your imaginative claim that a man ready to commit 108 felonies including killing his mother and himself is going to let a law stop him from making an illegal or black market purchase. Laws didn’t deter him from committing murder, so why do you think the law would magically deter him from an illegal weapons buy? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/455 "2012-12-16T02:37:49Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > The only magical thinking is your imaginative claim that a man ready to commit 108 felonies including killing his mother and himself is going to let a law stop him from making an illegal or black market purchase. Laws didn’t deter him from committing murder, so why do you think the law would magically deter him from an illegal weapons buy? Because it makes it harder. Rather than picking it off a shelf and charging it on a credit card, the buyer must find a black market seller and pay cash, often at inflated prices from a limited supply. I am under no illusion that gun sales to sociopaths will be eliminated. Making it harder reduces the number of successful sales, and the number of tragic outcomes. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/456 "2012-12-16T02:54:28Z")
Well, [the obvious happens.](http://www.examiner.com/article/westboro-church-plans-to-picket-at-sandy-hook-elementary-school-praising-god) Westboro planning to picket at the school. ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/457 "2012-12-16T03:08:48Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Well, [the obvious happens.](http://www.examiner.com/article/westboro-church-plans-to-picket-at-sandy-hook-elementary-school-praising-god) > > Westboro planning to picket at the school. Well, that’s the perfect cherry for this craptastic sundae. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/458 "2012-12-16T04:12:40Z")
Might be a sign it’s time to tear up the whole constitution and start over. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/459 "2012-12-16T05:01:58Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Well, [the obvious happens.](http://www.examiner.com/article/westboro-church-plans-to-picket-at-sandy-hook-elementary-school-praising-god) > > Westboro planning to picket at the school. They spend more time threatening to picket these days than actually doing it. I bet one hundred Internet dollars that they don’t show. But hey, it got them more media coverage, so bonus for them! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050/460 "2012-12-16T05:11:21Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > They spend more time threatening to picket these days than actually doing it. I bet one hundred Internet dollars that they don’t show. I can already see the headlines if they DO: “Reverand Fred Phelps killed in second CT school shooting.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/27-dead-18-children/644050.md?page=24)