# 2nd Commandment, Bitches!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 18, 2006, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202 "2006-08-18T08:02:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/21 "2006-08-18T14:46:28Z")
> [@](#): > > So if you build a statue of Mary and for whatever reason she chose to reveal herself by making that statue do supernatural things, it has nothing to do with violating the 2nd commandment. God could have solved so many things if he had made a “stop being fucking stupid and get back to work” a commandment. ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/22 "2006-08-18T14:56:18Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > There’s a difference between making an image to remember and honor someone and worshipping the image. There are crucifixes in a Catholic church to remind you of the crucifixion and what it means. Nobody but nobody worships the crucifix. Same with Mary, there are statues to honor her but nobody worships the statue. So if you build a statue of Mary and for whatever reason she chose to reveal herself by making that statue do supernatural things, it has nothing to do with violating the 2nd commandment. It’s _so_ nice to share a message board with someone who can tell time. Thank you, **BobLibDem**. The use of an image, icon, representation or relic (that last is dicey – read up or ask a priest) to serve as a reminder to worship God is not a violation of _any_ commandment, much less what you call the second but which for Catholics is actually the first: > [@The Catholic Encyclopedia](#): > > This arrangement makes the First Commandment relate to false worship and to the worship of false gods as to a single subject and a single class of sins to be guarded against – the reference to idols being regarded as mere application of the precept to adore but one God and the prohibition as directed against the particular offense of idolatry alone. According to this manner of reckoning, the injunction forbidding the use of the Lord’s Name in vain comes second in order… **CynicalGabe** , try and look at this as a matter of tradition that manifestations (another way you went wrong – nobody “made” this image as an object of worship) of God, his Son, and his only Mother are worth noticing as reasons to reaffirm one’s faith, much like your own unproven faith that calling people assholes for expressing their religious beliefs is a persuasive tactic. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/23 "2006-08-18T15:03:33Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > God could have solved so many things if he had made a “stop being fucking stupid and get back to work” a commandment. It was on the third tablet along with “For Christ sake, put that down before you break it!” … which of course Moses dropped and broke. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/24 "2006-08-18T15:46:48Z")
They’ll have to pry my _fucking collectible plate of Elvis that cries blood_ out of my cold dead hands! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/25 "2006-08-18T15:54:11Z")
So when Charlton Heston came down with the 2nd amendment tablet and a gun in his cold dead hand is that the point when he shot up the choclate worshipers? Just asking, because all this stuff is so confusing… ---
**Author:** ![Fritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c57346/32.png) [@Fritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fritz)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/26 "2006-08-18T16:20:02Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > It was on the third tablet along with “For Christ sake, put that down before you break it!” … which of course Moses dropped and broke. “I bring you these 15…” _ **crash** _, “Oy…10…10 commandments” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/27 "2006-08-18T16:25:36Z")
> [@kingpengvin](#): > > So when Charlton Heston came down with the 2nd amendment tablet and a gun in his cold dead hand is that the point when he shot up the choclate worshipers? > > Just asking, because all this stuff is so confusing… He then dropped to his knees, pounding his fists into the ground, he yells, "It was chocolate alllll allooooong!!! Damn you all to helllllll!!! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/28 "2006-08-18T16:32:12Z")
I’m a charismatic stigmatic and I vote ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/29 "2006-08-18T16:35:50Z")
For reference:[from the NRSV:](http://www.bibletexts.com/terms/10commandments-texts.htm) > [@](#): > > 4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. Now, if the workers were manning the machines that made this chocolate squirt of Mary, they ‘made’ themselves the form of something ‘in heaven above’, Strike one. No bowing, dammit! The text does remain silent on the kneeling, however. Still, I’d be worried about the great grandchildren, being punished for Grannie’s chocolate veneration. Oops, which commandment was that, with the damning? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/30 "2006-08-18T16:37:24Z")
Georgie porgie, Pudding and pie, Licked the Virgins, And made them cry. ---
**Author:** ![Fritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c57346/32.png) [@Fritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fritz)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/31 "2006-08-18T16:47:06Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > I’m a charismatic stigmatic and I vote I’m a dyslexic agnostic: “There is no dog” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/32 "2006-08-18T16:52:51Z")
> [@Fritz](#): > > “I bring you these 15…” _ **crash** _, “Oy…10…10 commandments” Or: “Let me get this straight. I send you down with three tablets, and you smash ALL THREE of them. And now you’re back up here asking for copies? Fuck it, I’m not going through it all again. I’ll give you two of them. They’re just guidelines, anyway.” ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/33 "2006-08-18T18:17:33Z")
> [@Alma](#): > > So we can assume you’re not Catholic. You could assume that, but you’d be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/34 "2006-08-18T18:44:07Z")
These people are idiots. It obviously wasn’t Mary, but Jesus, thus fulfilling the prophesy of Tom Waits: Well it’s got to be a chocolate Jesus Make me feel good inside Got to be a chocolate Jesus Keep me satisfied ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/35 "2006-08-18T19:01:34Z")
Leave her alone. She’s a single mom who had nearly given up and now she’s found faith again. Some people don’t believe until they survive a horrific car crash or something like that. Jacinto, she’s not like the rest of you cynics. She just needed a blob of chocolate. ---
**Author:** ![CynicalGabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@CynicalGabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CynicalGabe)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/36 "2006-08-18T19:03:30Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Jacinto, she’s not like the rest of you cynics. She just needed a blob of chocolate. Personal redemption comes cheap these days. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/37 "2006-08-18T19:24:58Z")
> [@AskNott](#): > > Georgie porgie, > Pudding and pie, > Licked the Virgins, > And made them cry. Nah, not cry. Not unless he was doing it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/38 "2006-08-18T19:33:17Z")
According to the Bible, Moses actually _did_ break the Ten Commandments, and had to get them from God again. The thing I never understood in the Commandments was “thou shalt not make graven images of anything in the sea, in the sky, or on the land.” So you can’t draw anything, or take a picture of anything. Or make a movie or a TV show. Everyone’s going to hell! ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/39 "2006-08-18T19:43:31Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Leave her alone. She’s a single mom who had nearly given up and now she’s found faith again. So we should applaud her for almost shedding her ignorant belief in a fictional deity but then retaining it because of a chocolate chunk? ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/2nd-commandment-bitches/369202/40 "2006-08-18T19:45:14Z")
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