# 3 hours and 50 minutes until Tim Allen's new show (Last Man Standing)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [October 11, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342 "2011-10-11T20:11:42Z")
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### Author:  [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/1 "2011-10-11T20:11:42Z")
8 pm on ABC
I wanted to be excited for Tim Allen but the commercials look pretty bad. Just another family sitcom. Nevertheless I will support Tim Allen and watch the premiere at least.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/2 "2011-10-11T20:12:29Z")
> [@PSXer](#):
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> I wanted to be excited for Tim Allen but the commercials look pretty bad. Just another family sitcom.
IIRC, he literally requested “Home Improvement, with daughters.”
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### Author:  [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/3 "2011-10-11T20:46:24Z")
> [@PSXer](#):
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> Just another family sitcom.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.😉
The family sitcom is perhaps the most durable format in TV, and is the source for everything from \*I Love Lucy \*to \*Married With Children \*to _The Simpsons_ to _Arrested Development_. Family sitcoms present a rich and multifaceted array of relationships, potentials for conflict and events and activities with a rich potential for humor.
You wouldn’t call \*Romeo and Juliet \*“just another teen romance.”
That said, the show does look like just another family sitcom.
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### Author:  [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/4 "2011-10-11T20:48:29Z")
I mean. Home Improvement was just another family sitcom. And I liked that. Tool Time helped it. And Wilson. Last Man Standing can be just another family sitcom and still be good. but I have my doubts. And I must satisfy them.
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### Author:  [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/5 "2011-10-11T20:51:06Z")
I hadn’t heard anything about this until now. How young are the daughters? I think Tim’s getting a little long in the tooth to plausibly be the father of three precocious young girls. If they’re in high school or college already, maybe.
I liked Home Improvement, though. As long as they don’t just straight-up rehash old plots (which would be tough due to the simple gender swap of the children), it shouldn’t be too bad.
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### Author:  [@PSXer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PSXer)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/6 "2011-10-11T20:53:57Z")
I guess they looked like teenagers on the commercial. And wikipedia says one of his daughters is a single mother. So I guess they’re old. But Dan Quayle won’t be happy about the show’s lack of moral fiber
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### Author:  [@whitetho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whitetho)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/7 "2011-10-11T21:25:19Z")
[Slate.com](http://Slate.com)’s review of the first two episodes, [Men Without Punchlines](http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/television/2011/10/last_man_standing_reviewed_tim_allen_s_stupid_new_sitcom_.html), says:
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> Very probably the worst sitcom on network television, _Last Man Standing_ makes Whitney Cummings look like Noël Coward. It is hammily acted, lousily written, and shoddily designed, with crummy back projections in the driving scenes and harsh happy lighting during the kitchen-island confabs.
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### Author:  [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/8 "2011-10-12T00:20:23Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#):
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> IIRC, he literally requested “Home Improvement, with daughters.”
[Not sure if he requested it, but he did admit it.](http://www.nbcwashington.com/blogs/popcornbiz/Tim-Allen-Admits-Last-Man-Standing-Is-Home-Improvement-With-More-Women-131471303.html)
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### Author:  [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/9 "2011-10-12T18:39:25Z")
I saw it…and I didn’t hate it.
Granted, some of the jokes were obviously written by hacks, but Tim Allen was funny in his delivery. And Nancy Travis still looks great.
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### Author:  [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/10 "2011-10-12T18:43:18Z")
I agree with the Slate review. A horrible PoS. Worse than _Home Improvement_, if that’s even possible. I was even sad to see one of my favorite comedians, Paul F. Tompkins, in a guest role.
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### Author:  [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/11 "2011-10-12T18:48:33Z")
Here’s an article on the ratings, which seemd ok, according to them:
[TVbytheNumbers](http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/12/tv-ratings-tuesday-last-man-standing-has-a-better-than-ordinary-start/106952/)
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### Author:  [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/12 "2011-10-12T18:49:45Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#):
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> Worse than _Home Improvement_, if that’s even possible.
Pretty possible. Home Improvement was a good sitcom. I’d hesitate at ranking it with Cheers and Frasier, but it’s certainly one step below them and shares a spot with Night Court.
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### Author:  [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/13 "2011-10-12T19:24:12Z")
> [@Bosstone](#):
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> Pretty possible. Home Improvement was a good sitcom. I’d hesitate at ranking it with Cheers and Frasier, but it’s certainly one step below them and shares a spot with Night Court.
Agreed. Too many people will point to bland but well-done sitcoms like _Home Improvement_ or _Everybody Loves Ramon_ as examples of bad TV while totally forgetting the truly awful sitcoms. Remember _Caveman_, which was a half hour long “comedy” with the geico spokesman? That’s a bad sitcom. For every _Home Improvement_ there are five _Homeboys From Outer Space_. It’s the later that should be made fun of.
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### Author:  [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/14 "2011-10-12T20:46:24Z")
I just watched and thought: Wow, Home Improvement - again.
And then I came here and found this.
I don’t know if I’ll keep watching. I will leave it in the record queue for a few weeks, but it may end up just like Two And Half Men - basically started each week and then deleted.
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/15 "2011-10-12T20:52:55Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#):
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> _Everybody Loves Ramon_
I thought that was called _George Lopez_.
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### Author:  [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/16 "2011-10-12T21:19:52Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#):
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> Agreed. Too many people will point to bland but well-done sitcoms like _Home Improvement_ or _Everybody Loves Ramon_ as examples of bad TV while totally forgetting the truly awful sitcoms. Remember _Caveman_, which was a half hour long “comedy” with the geico spokesman? That’s a bad sitcom. For every _Home Improvement_ there are five _Homeboys From Outer Space_. It’s the later that should be made fun of.
We agree to disagree, then. I can respect a total trainwreck more than bland, middle-of-the-road hackery. Shows like _Home Improvement_, IMO, to steal a phrase, are so bad they’re not even completely terrible.
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### Author:  [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/17 "2011-10-12T21:28:16Z")
Man, I don’t understand all the hatred for “Home Improvement”. I haven’t seen Allen’s new show yet but “Home Improvement” had GREAT slapstick humor (How will Tim Taylor hurt himself or blow something up accidentally this week?) and outrated and drove critically acclaimed “Seinfeld” off of Tuesday night. Somebody besides me had to like it.
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [October 12, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/3-hours-and-50-minutes-until-tim-allens-new-show-last-man-standing/599342/18 "2011-10-12T21:51:42Z")
> [@jayjay](#):
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> I thought that was called _George Lopez_.
LOL. You must made my day - thanks.