# 30 Rock ends next season, Parks & Rec renewed, Community gets at least 13 more episodes \[ed. title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 10, 2012, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552 "2012-05-10T21:43:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/41 "2012-05-11T19:23:55Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > I think in Parks & Rec’s case, the very early episodes were so bad that it soured a lot of people on the series permanently. Even now I hear people say “That show was terrible.” and I have to try and convince them to give it another shot. It failed at grabbing a strong audience early on and has suffered > ever since. First I heard of that. I hated the first two episodes, so I quit watching. If I wanted to check it out and see if I want to watch it, where should I pick it up? As for Community–I do think the insularity causes problems. I missed the last episode of Season 2, and thus haven’t seen any of Season 3. The only way I could ever get caught up was to pirate, afaik. These are the types of shows that benefit most from having their stuff online, unlike, say, South Park. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/42 "2012-05-11T19:29:33Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > First I heard of that. I hated the first two episodes, so I quit watching. If I wanted to check it out and see if I want to watch it, where should I pick it up? > > As for Community–I do think the insularity causes problems. I missed the last episode of Season 2, and thus haven’t seen any of Season 3. The only way I could ever get caught up was to pirate, afaik. These are the types of shows that benefit most from having their stuff online, unlike, say, South Park. If you’re not up for plugging through the early episodes, I’d start w/ the last episode of the very first season. From there on, it greatly improves and the 2nd season is really great, and the 3rd season is easily one of the best seasons of comedy ever produced. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/43 "2012-05-11T19:31:29Z")
Also ---- [Parks & Rec has been renewed for a full 22 episodes!!!](http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/nbc-renews-parks-and-recreation-for-season-5). This makes me very happy. Also, it’s being reported that “Up All Night” has also been renewed. If so, it’s a very good day in the Poehler/Arnett household. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/44 "2012-05-11T20:02:03Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Despite the different tones **woodstockbirdybird** and **Quimby** took in their OPs, these “Say goodbye to Community…” and “Community gets a Season 4!” threads are about the same topic, so I’m merging the threads. Can we change the topic title? Because it makes it sound like the shwos are all cancelled, when they aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/45 "2012-05-11T20:11:29Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Can we change the topic title? Because it makes it sound like the shwos are all cancelled, when they aren’t. Done. The new title might be melodramatic but I think I have everything right; please let me know if not. The old title was “Say goodbye to Community, 30 Rock and Parks & Rec.” ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/46 "2012-05-11T20:19:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Done. The new title might be melodramatic but I think I have everything right; please let me know if not. The old title was “Say goodbye to Community, 30 Rock and Parks & Rec.” Pretty good, but Community was actually also renewed for a shortened season. The title makes it appear to be on the bubble still, but it’s definitely coming back for at least a little while. 30 Rock is the only one w/ a definite end in sight. All very good news to this comedy lover. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/47 "2012-05-11T20:44:03Z")
OK. I was trying to suggest it was back for at least 13 episodes and its ultimate fate was uncertain, so maybe this version is a little better. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/48 "2012-05-11T20:46:24Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > OK. I was trying to suggest it was back for at least 13 episodes and its ultimate fate was uncertain, so maybe this version is a little better. That’s an improvement, but… Just kidding, you nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/49 "2012-05-11T21:07:44Z")
I don’t know if folks are watching _Up All Night_, but my wife and I love it. It probaby helps that we have small children and one of us works and one stays at home, so we easily identify with the characters, but Applegate, Arnett and Rudolph are all excellent comedic talents as well. We actually prefer this show to any of the others on Thursday except maybe Parks & Rec. Which, woot! Glad that one is coming back! ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/50 "2012-05-11T21:46:03Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I can’t believe Starfish is gone, and Chang is still there, and driving the plot. His name is Alex! Or, er, StarBURNS. No love for John Hodgman as the “psychiatrist”? “This is purgatory, and you’re all in hell.” Also the voice they dubbed in for Garrett in the asylum “flashback” was hilarious. I’m just sorry more people aren’t climbing aboard the Community bandwagon. I’ve been on ever since Modern Warfare (paintball one), and while not every episode has been a classic, I think they’ve all been consistently smart and funny - even better than 30 Rock used to be. I won’t be sad to see 30 Rock end, as I think it’s time, but Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin still created one of my all-time favorite series. Community is all-time epic. The manufactured flashback/clip shows are a riot. The multiple timelines was a classic. The space simulator, the Ken Burns spoof, the model UN battle (“Crisis alert!”), Law and Order, paintball one … there’s just been so much inspired lunacy there. I hope it can make it at least to syndication. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/51 "2012-05-11T23:59:47Z")
Re: **30 Rock** , when it ends its run, it will have been on for seven seasons, a respectable showing. I have always thought that (a) Tina Fey has it in her to make a truly great sitcom, (b) **30 Rock** isn’t it, but © \*\*30 Rock \*\*will need to run its course before she can come up with the truly great show she was meant to make. I hope the next one has someone with Alec Baldwin’s star power, though my bet is it will center around Fey and Rachel Dratch this time. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/52 "2012-05-12T00:23:42Z")
Seven seasons is a lot more than respectable. The percentage of shows that lasts that long has to be in the low single digits. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/53 "2012-05-12T01:49:57Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > Community is great, epic great. 30 Rock I want to like but it’s just too wacky and quirky for me. It tries too hard. I find it shallow and pedantic. It insists upon itself. Just kidding, I’ve never watched it. But it is one of those shows I had planned to eventually start watching because everyone keeps telling me it is smart and funny. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/54 "2012-05-12T04:56:16Z")
[Canceled TV Shows: Networks Clean House](http://tv.yahoo.com/photos/canceled-tv-shows-of-2012-slideshow/) greeted me as I logged on a few minutes ago. No surprises for me. I had given up on every one of them weeks or months ago. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/55 "2012-05-12T05:15:17Z")
I’m still bitter about the cancellation of My Name is Earl. ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/56 "2012-05-12T05:26:12Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > It insists upon itself. I’m very _aware_ that I’m watching a tv show. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2012, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/57 "2012-05-12T07:18:30Z")
There were a few episode comments in this thread (back pre-merge when it was about the community renewable) but it’s really not going in that direction so I created an [episode thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15057082) for the latest community episode. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/58 "2012-05-13T06:51:34Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I’m still bitter about the cancellation of My Name is Earl. So was I at first (in fact, in the first Community thread on this board I think my only comment was something like “They cancelled Earl for THIS?”) but I quickly got over it. Anyway, it helps that Raising Hope came along. Anyone who liked Earl should check it out. Still, sucks we’ll never know who Earl Jr’s father is. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/59 "2012-05-13T11:53:03Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > [Canceled TV Shows: Networks Clean House](http://tv.yahoo.com/photos/canceled-tv-shows-of-2012-slideshow/) greeted me as I logged on a few minutes ago. No surprises for me. I had given up on every one of them weeks or months ago. The only one of those that I watch is The Finder. But Fox made it clear early on that they were not committed to it, so I wasn’t surprised. They moved it to Friday night and showed the episodes in random order. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552/60 "2012-05-13T17:12:11Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > [Canceled TV Shows: Networks Clean House](http://tv.yahoo.com/photos/canceled-tv-shows-of-2012-slideshow/) greeted me as I logged on a few minutes ago. No surprises for me. I had given up on every one of them weeks or months ago. I had not heard of the vast majority of those shows. I still think that Awake would have been a better movie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-ends-next-season-parks-rec-renewed-community-gets-at-least-13-more-episodes-ed-title/621552.md?page=4)