# 30 Rock Series Finale (spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 31, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957 "2013-01-31T21:29:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/face_intentionally_left_blank/32/288_2.png) [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Face_Intentionally_Left_Blank)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/21 "2013-02-01T05:05:43Z")
I felt like the show was weaker this season. Season six was pretty damn good, and I’ve watched their live episode like half a dozen times. The last episode was an improvement on this season, but that’s damning with faint praise. Still, I laughed out loud a few times, and I liked the ending with Kenneth in the future, listening to show pitches from Liz’s great-granddaughter. Pete’s never been a favorite of mine, but I enjoyed his attempt to fake-kill himself and run away. Jack’s, “Maybe I’ll buy a boat” make me think of that, “I should buy a boat” cat meme. Liz wasn’t on the Dope, she was on , “[GothamMoms.com](http://GothamMoms.com).” If you’re looking for a Straight Dope reference, I think the best you’ll get is when Kenneth asked, “Where are all the baby pigeons?”, which comes up with the Dope as the first result in Bing!, DuckDuckGo and Google. I enjoyed the last few minutes, with the Rural Juror song playing over it. Jack’s ending was suitable I thought. For him, happiness was never going to be a destination. His enjoyment was in the fight, the journey. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/22 "2013-02-01T15:19:59Z")
Thought it was quite funny. Kenneth’s list was hilarious, as was Jack’s crowing that he made Alec Baldwin mad (along with his conquering the circle of happiness) ;). ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/23 "2013-02-01T15:25:51Z")
I also thought the first half was funnier than the second half. Mmm…Salma Hayek and Julianne Moore sandwich… (although that probably would have been even tastier 10-15 years ago). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/24 "2013-02-01T15:32:43Z")
You all didn’t miss the little blivet at the very end, I hope…where Liz’ great granddaughter is working for the apparently immortal Kenneth while cars fly past the window. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/25 "2013-02-01T15:43:23Z")
The flying cars included a Twin Pod Cloud Car from Empire Strikes Back and a police car from the 5th Element. I missed the first half so I’m going to swing back and watch it again on [NBC.com](http://NBC.com) probably tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/26 "2013-02-01T16:05:09Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > When she went online in the first scene was she on The Straight Dope? If only I could have modded that senseless dispute. (The board didn’t look or sound anything like this one.) There were spots in the finale where they covered ground they had covered before: Liz being unable to function without work and the idea of Liz and Jack being terrible for each other, for example. But I thought they managed to advance those in a good way. I was hinting earlier that I was concerned they were going to give Jack the CEO title and then immediately take it away from him, which they did - but they managed to give him an opportunity for reflection and growth, and we know he never wanted to be at Kabletown anyway. Just last episode he admitted that television made no sense to him. I loved seeing him solve his happiness problem in three minutes and take the sensei’s parking space, then come up with his next great idea two minutes into his globetrotting cruise. (By the way, was he taking Liddy with him or leaving her behind again? World’s Greatest Dad indeed.) I might’ve missed a detail but I thought he was back at GE at the end, which is where he belongs. Kenneth seemed to be taking to his new job as the president of NBC. I loved the Pete storyline in the last episode; it was one of the best things they had him do in the entire series. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You all didn’t miss the little blivet at the very end, I hope…where Liz’ great granddaughter is working for the apparently immortal Kenneth while cars fly past the window. Somehow it failed to register for me that it was Liz’s granddaughter, but of course that must be what they intended and it makes me like the ending better. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/27 "2013-02-01T16:10:00Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > When she went online in the first scene was she on The Straight Dope? Why would you think that? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/28 "2013-02-01T16:23:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Somehow it failed to register for me that it was Liz’s granddaughter, but of course that must be what they intended and it makes me like the ending better. Either she or Kenneth said something like “your **great** grandmother used to \” ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/29 "2013-02-01T16:32:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Either she or Kenneth said something like “your **great** grandmother used to \” Yes, Ms. Lemon said the show was based on stories her great grandmother used to tell her. It just sort of didn’t hit home that the great grandmother was the real Liz. ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/30 "2013-02-01T16:44:33Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Here is the list of words on Kenneth’s list. > > Conflict > Urban > Woman > Divorce > Shows about shows > Writer > Justin Bartha > Dramedy > New York > Politics > High concept > Complex > Niche > Quality > Edgy > Blog > Immortal characters > Foreign How did you get the last two? I paused it and could only see “Immortal char” (which I misread as Immoral char-) and I couldn’t see the bottom one at all. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/31 "2013-02-01T16:50:47Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > Yeah, I immediately noticed that too! Don’t know if it was just scheduling or if Conan really didn’t want to set foot on NBC property. They don’t actually film at 30 Rock though, they film at a sound stage in Queens, I believe. More likely, he just wouldn’t/couldn’t find the time to fly from LA to NY to film 2 lines of dialogue. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/32 "2013-02-01T16:54:59Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yes, Ms. Lemon said the show was based on stories her great grandmother used to tell her. It just sort of didn’t hit home that the great grandmother was the real Liz. It was a quick bit. Upon rewatch, the blazer and Liz Lemon eyeglasses were a dead giveaway. The St Elsewhere nod with the snow globe was a nice touch, too. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/33 "2013-02-01T16:59:16Z")
I didn’t even notice that Conan was digitally added. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/34 "2013-02-01T17:01:11Z")
I thought the character of Kenneth Parcell is a chillingly accurate portrayal of how a real immortal would behave. Jack McBrayer gave it the proper amount of alienness – his glee towards things people consider mundane, his joy at working as a page at NBC for a pittance. Also, with a DVR, you can see tons of detail, like Jack’s Six Sigma Wheel of Happiness Domination (subcategories: Philanthropy, Hobbies, Family, Faith, Work, Hair, Arts & Leisure, and Sex & Relationships). Formerly Jack’s Six Sigma Wheel of Domination (subcategories: Ificationication, Innovation, Synergism, Vertical Integration, Diversification, Brand Penetration, Diagonal Integration, and Horizontal Integration). ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/35 "2013-02-01T17:01:22Z")
Oh, and I found a blog post about the final episode that features the no-no words. [http://blogs.suntimes.com/tv/2013/01/30\_rock\_finale\_top\_10\_moments.html](http://blogs.suntimes.com/tv/2013/01/30_rock_finale_top_10_moments.html) ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/36 "2013-02-01T18:19:35Z")
I just realised that they mentioned that Brian Williams had a transparent toilet in his bathroom. So what happened to the skull of J. Fred Muggs? Did they just throw it away, or did they find a way to make it transparent, or did they turn it into a bidet? Inquiring minds want to know! ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/37 "2013-02-01T18:34:04Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > I just realised that they mentioned that Brian Williams had a transparent toilet in his bathroom. So what happened to the skull of J. Fred Muggs? Did they just throw it away, or did they find a way to make it transparent, or did they turn it into a bidet? Inquiring minds want to know! I’d hope that at this point in Brian Williams’ career, he has more than one toilet. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/38 "2013-02-01T19:11:18Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Blimpies— what’s the opposite of product placement? I wondered about that too. Does Blimpie consider it a net win if they’re name-checked several times, but with the implication that their food can be used as a form of punishment? ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/39 "2013-02-01T19:30:10Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I didn’t even notice that Conan was digitally added. I’m pretty sure they both were. It didn’t look like Liz was in the elevator either. And I think the woman who approached Jenna in the airport was the actress who plays Cerie, wearing a wig. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957/40 "2013-02-01T19:37:40Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I only wish Mother Donaghy had lived to see this episode. Otherwise it’s time to go- it jumped the shark a while back and besides that it’s time for Tracy Morgan to go broke. > > Speaking of, Liz and Criss- not sure if I believe them as a couple. (And while she’s a lot more successful than he is financially, what other than that does he see in her? She’s neurotic, self absorbed, shrill, and doesn’t appreciate she’s with a guy who looks amazingly like Jason Marsden.) Liz herself is amazingly hot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/30-rock-series-finale-spoilers-as-it-airs/648957.md?page=3)