300: So FRIGGIN COOL!

I found the sight of two birds fighting for a sunflower seed today to be an allegory for the war in Iraq. I wonder how many threads get by on this forum without some twit comparing the subject of discussion to the war in Iraq. You can compare any war in history with any other war in history: one side is always the aggressor, one side is always the defender, and neither side ever believes they are wrong. But what do I know, I’m probably just adding more poison to the well. Clearly any film about war, released during an actual war, must ipso facto be an allegory for that war.

Now that’s logic any Greek would be proud of!

Let’s not get extreme. I’m a huge comic book nerd and a huge film nerd, and the two don’t often blend well. Did you see Fantastic Four? <shivers>

Ding! Ding! Ding! Many of the movie critics on NPR who complained about this movie missed this entirely. They all said, “I liked Sin City, but this wasn’t Sin City.” No, duh. Sin City was a hyperreal pulp/film noir movie. 300 is a hyperreal Grecian adventure tale. I don’t think that a hyperreal pulp/film noir version of 300 would work all that well.

I got to see the film in a very packed IMAX theater (definately see it in IMAX theater if you can). My biggest complaint with the film, other than the orcale didn’t get enough screen time, she was hawt, is that the battle scenes lacked the intensity of Gladiator.

Any work of art can resonate (or not) on many different levels, in many different contexts. Finding resonance in present day context–especially considering the artists created the work in the same context–doesn’t make anyone a twit, anamnesis. (BTW, namecalling in this forum is a bannable offense.)

:dubious: You cannot be banned for referring to no one in particular as “some twit” in any forum.

In the first place, I was banned for pretty much that exact type of oblique reference. In the second place, anamnesis was pretty clearly replying to my post. Seeing he was relatively new, I thought it prudent to let him know that referring–no matter how obliquely–to the holder of an opinion you disagree with as “some twit,” is not considered CS-friendly language.

In the third place, hijack over.

I find that hard to believe. Was it an isolated incident or did you establish a continued - perhaps, how you say, jerky - pattern of doing so?

I didn’t realize s/he was replying to you directly, but the fact stands that it was a very general comment. “I wonder how many threads get by on this forum without some twit comparing the subject of discussion to the war in Iraq” - I don’t understand how you can read that as a direct insult.

Oddly enough, the parts I didn’t like about 300 were the parts that were most like Sin City: the relentless, almost forced omnipresent cynical evil. Which totally works in a noir, but not in an historical epic film. A little bit of it establishes mood and moral vagueness, which isn’t always bad, but it had so much of it that it distracted me from the action.

THANK you.

I thought it was pretty telling that old hack Matt Drudge had an article that said the movie was either a “sly approval of Dubya” or a “thinly veiled attack on Dubya”.

WTF? If it can be interpreted either way, I think ink blots are a damned good comparison.

-Joe

I have to admit that attempting to see some connection to the war in Iraq in this movie is, to be kind, a bit of a stretch…

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-XT

I’m not entirely comfortable with the way a line of dialogue disparaging pederasty is being so widely conflated with homophobia. I’m generally against the idea of buggering young boys myself, and I’m pretty sure I’m not a homophobe. I suspect we’re both on the same page in that respect.

As for how obvious the hypocrisy of that statement would be to the average viewer, consider that it was delivered maybe twenty minutes after a montage of a Spartan twelve year old being flogged to “make a man out of him,” and I think they general hypocrisy of Leonidas’ position was self-evident.

Since I’m coming to this party late, I’m only going to address this comment:

FWIW, IMDb trivia says that all the principal actors underwent a heavy-duty training regimen before shooting began, so that they could all looked ripped. Gerald Butler talks about his own training here a bit.

Carry on.

The following review is a mishmash of notes on the movie, courtesy of a friend of mine (Mr Jelly); I pretty much agree with everything he’s saying, though I personally enjoyed the movie despite the obvious flaws:

More posturing than an Anime film festival, more nipples than a baby bottle factory, more cheesy dialogue than the collected works of Stephen Sommers, more cheesy monsters than a Gwar concert, more overuse of slo-motion than a John Woo highlight reel, and the most attrocious and patronizing voice over narrative EVER, puts this movie at the top of my list for Mr Jelly’s most hated of 2007.

Yes, it features 30 minutes of impressive, illogical warfare, that at times is visually poetic and moving. Yes it features many cgi cuts, amputations, and decapitations, and water-color blood splattering effects meant to mimic the graphic novel. It had at least 3 very funny scenes that I laughed at because I was meant to - those were great!

But here is what it is devoid of:

  • Color
    300s cold washed out palate is tiresome and ugly - regardless of the few incredibly artisitc and striking shots that we are graced with (these few moments made the rest of the film even more unbearable).

  • Characterization.
    I could have cared less if any of these characters lived or died - I couldnt tell you anyones name except xerxes and leonidas - I know one guy had a kid and that everyone but leonidas liked to headbang and fight to progressive metal music.

-Emotional impact.
The begining was strong - i did feel engaged - then the battle started, the mutated world of Persia showed up, and I started laughing out loud at scenes that were supposed to be serious. I laughed at the delivery and writing of several lines, and by the end I couldnt take it any more with the empty lines about honor and bravery. It felt like a hollow propaganda movie that terrorists might watch before they go off to commit a suicide bombing in the name of “honor” and defeating “mysticism” and integration into the rest of the world.

-Restraint.
GOOD GOD, Faramir, please shut the FUCK UP! Every single time the movie started to connect with me - fucking Faramir starts narrating over the top of these visuals that were self-explanatory. We know that narration is a no-no even when it gives us MORE information than we can get from the visual sequence, but WTF ZACK SNYDER are you doing having a man tell me what I am already seeing?

“He hears his mean breathing” (men are breathing) “He drops his shield” (he drops his sheild) “The men were celebrating their victory because the day was won” (the stars are coming out and the men are celebrating). etc etc etc. Show dont tell, motherfucker.

-Regular speed film.
This is the worst and the best part of the film all mixed into one. LOVED it during much of the 30 minutes of fighting in the film. HATED during the hour and half of non-fighting. It makes sense that to me that battle scenes are slowed down - that the chaos and brutality is impactful through slow-motion. And it does actually work - as it did some of the time where it was overused in the Passion of the Christ. But when you overdo the slo-mo - as with any joke - if it goes too long - it loses its power. Slo-motion is a powerful visual tool precisley because it is NOT how we see the world - and its the contrastive facet of slo-mo against the rest of film being regular speed, that gives it its power. Why is the queen walking through a cooridor need to be slowed down - she looks and sees her son - this moment makes sense - there is a visual connection between mother and son - she walks through a room - all slo-mo - there is no reason for it that i can find, and at every turn the impact that it does make is undone by its overuse.

Such a strange with so many strange choices. I went in with low expectations - but the strong beginning of the film really captivated me - then something happened - i dont know what - but i think it was a tonal change. The film is very serious and somewhat grounded in reality in the first 35 minutes - then it just goes crazy. All the plans Leonidas lays out at the begining seem like they are dropped - he talks of logic but their fighting on screen, while it starts in the narrow moutain path (nicely mirroring the wolf scene) - it just gets dropped - the men move out into the open battle field leaving their strategery and movie logic behind. Then monsters start showing up, and Xerxes with the funniest voice and the biggest manhands ever shows up and SERIOUSLY SHIT YOU NOT - thought about how awesome this film would be if Mystery Science Theater got its hands on it. The obvious strange sexual reference of Xerxes standing behind Leonidas with his hands on him and saying “I can give you more” isnt whats so funny - its just everything - the enemy is a 12 year olds fantasy, the fantasy of someone who has seen too many Marylin Manson music videos. I wanted to love this film, I wanted movie magic. Instead all I got was the Cheeseburger Juliet gives to Jack on Lost: Surprising and enticing at first, tastey, funny, then totally improbable, ridiculous, and dissapointing.

And maybe my ovaries were in overdrive, but ALL i felt for the Spartans was pity. They arent heroes - they dont protect the innocent - they BEAT and brutalize their children - they INDOCTRINATE their children - kill them if they are weak, beat them until they are strong, and call it FREEDOM. As part of western society we are always too quick to judge and criticise other cultures for not being our own - we define things as not normal - but i like the way Abnormal Psychology is defined. Abnormality is defined as any behavior that causes harm or violence to befall the individual or others by the individual. THIS IS SPARTA! to quote Leonidas - its an abomination of necromongers who worship death, violence to others, and most of all violence to their own.

Great heroes protect the innocent - the spartans endanger all of Greece. Watching a heroic battle means you connect with the heroe’s fight to save something - I didnt laugh when the Cave Troll fights the Fellowship of the ring (I laughed out loud when Leonidas fights the Persian giant-Troll) - it was wonderfull to see the hobbit team work together to survive - to reach a larger goal - to make it to the next challenge - Strider is a HERO - sacrificing his life for a greater dream- Leonidas is a warmongerer who prizes his idiology of death over the salvation of his peoples life. The spartans are the least free people ive ever seen - forced to fight - and mentally enslaved to see and seek only death.

The only true motivation the film gives us is the village burned to the ground in the beginnging and the child who says they came like wolves. But this would have never happened had Leonidas’ pride not brought Persia down upon him over “earth and water”. I suppose thats like saying WW2 would never have happened if Hitler didnt invade Poland - but I for one would never want to watch a movie about Hitler being a hero for the motherland in his last stand against the allies as they invaded Berchtesgaden and Hitler’s mountain-top hideaway. That movie would suck.

The above logic is as broken as the Spartans war strategies on film, so maybe an even better analogy would be - Bush/Xerxes threatens to invade Iraq. Saddam/Leonidas and his army go to their deaths before allowing the force of US/Persia to take over their land peacefully. Maybe in 100s of years they will make a movie like 300 where Saddam is portrayed as a great hero. hopefully its not all in slow motion.

Aside from the eyecandy and a few good one-liners I thought it was pretty boring. I also rolled my eyes at the fact that Xerxes was apparently a latter-day RuPaul in wayyyyyy too much M.A.C. frosted bronze lipstick. I could smell Studio Fix on him through the green screen.

I’m surprised because I really like Sin City but I was flatout bored and it seemed like most of the theatre was texting, which made the whole situation even worse.

Visuals…I liked and didn’t like them. I didn’t realise this was originally a comic book but the first thing I said was “oh, it’s sooo comic-booky in the way they filmed and coloured it”. The biggest problem I had was the colour palette. It really just hurt my eyes the way it was so washed out. If they wanted to go for something more like Sin City they should have done that instead of all those greys and muted colours.

Your friend sounds like a real bitch. Don’t like the film, whatever, but to proudly proclaim that you laughed out loud through the whole thing? Considering that most all of the shows have been sell-outs, she must have been really fucking annoying to the poor people who had to sit next to and near her. I would have gone to get an usher to get her thrown out.

He. The mention of his “ovaries” was meant as a joke. He does whine a lot, it’s true. Usually he waits until the movie’s over though. I’m surprised he was laughing out loud.

Ah, ok, then he’s a whiny bitch. At least anamnesis’s friend’s bitchy girlfriend had the decency to leave the theater (with her 12 year old son who was probably enjoying it, poor kid). Like her, didn’t your friend know ANYTHING about this movie before going, or was Norbit sold out?

I was bothered by this too. I thought that it was going to be gut-wrenching when the Spartans started dying but then it happened and I didn’t feel anything at all.

I saw it on opening day in a big city and there were less than 20 other people in the theatre. I can almost guarantee that if I had seen it in my small town back home my wife and I would’ve been the only ones there. My group of friends and I were the only ones in the theatre when we saw The Fellowship of the Ring on opening weekend.

Just saying, just because it’s selling out doesn’t mean it’s selling out everywhere.

Whatever, I saw it the day after opening during an afternoon show and it was sold out. Our experiences don’t matter though. The movie made 70 million dollars in 3 days. Obviously a lot of people went to see it.

He’s still a bitch.