# 31 000 American scientists cancel global warming **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 1, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/31-000-american-scientists-cancel-global-warming/451359 "2008-06-01T16:13:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/31-000-american-scientists-cancel-global-warming/451359/101 "2008-06-09T20:23:28Z")
[QUOTE=MrDibble] I came into this to debate who’s qualified to pass comment on scientific matters [/quote] Haha. Next time, try reading your earlier posts: > [@MrDibble](#): > > I’d find the Dope AGCC skeptics more believable (if not more convincing) if they were arguing with their own interpretations (as brazil84 claims to do) rather than just parroting all the other climate skeptics out there in the blogosphere. If someone came and said “I was reading this paper, and I noticed this disparity…” rather than “this article on climate-skeptic says”, I’d take them a lot more seriously. Because otherwise it breaks down to battling authorities, in which case, I’m afraid, the ayes have it - in spades. Anyway, I really don’t need to hear your weaseling about how you really weren’t commenting about “AGCC” with that post. > [@](#): > > There is if you want to differentiate between the bits that climate scientists are qualified to discuss, and the bit that other specialists are. Your rhetorical games are getting really old. Did you forget our earlier exchange? **brazil84** :The question on the table is whether laymen are potentially qualified to evaluate a scientific claim. **MrDibble** :Not the claim, the science. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2008, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/31-000-american-scientists-cancel-global-warming/451359/102 "2008-06-09T21:08:51Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Anyway, I really don’t need to hear your weaseling about how you really weren’t commenting about “AGCC” with that post. [/QUOTE] You realise there’s a difference between editorial comment (a post like that, that wasn’t directed at you, but was an aside to the poster above me - **Voyager** , IIRC and debate (you know, where I quote your posts and clearly indicate which of your points I’m addressing? Just because a post _mentions_ you doesn’t mean it’s directed at you. I said I wasn’t debating AGCC (by which I mean the science of it) here, and I’m not. I’m already sold on it, and I don’t need to convince you of it, or CAGW which I also believe to be proved (as long as we skip over the “only Warming” canard). I was debating who’s qualified to talk on matters of science, that’s all. Not politics, just science. [QUOTE=brazil84] Your rhetorical games are getting really old. [/QUOTE] Yet your _ad hominems_ stay fresh… [QUOTE=brazil84] Did you forget our earlier exchange? **brazil84** :The question on the table is whether laymen are potentially qualified to evaluate a scientific claim. **MrDibble** :Not the claim, the science. [/QUOTE] Ummm, I fail to see what you think that proves. I said complete laymen aren’t qualified to evaluate the science, and I just repeated that just now. I didn’t say _anything_ about whether they were or weren’t qualified to judge the claims in that post, despite your seeming “gotcha ya” tone. I merely _emphasised_ that I’d been talking about the science up to that point, despite what you may have thought you were debating. I thought you needed reminding. The other thing is that there are (at least) 3 levels of authority we’re talking about here - climate scientists experts, other experts, and non-experts. You keep trying to make this a binary “can assess” vs. “can’t assess” argument, and I’ve been trying to emphasise that both the various climate reports and the various experts have various spheres of specialisation that determine who can validly comment on what. And it’s a messy thing with various overlapping fields of competence and relevance. But it’s generally easy to tell who fits where, once you have their CV and paper trail. That’s why we can say some vet isn’t in it. Me, I’m not trying to exclude all climate skeptics from it, either. **intention** ’s already mentioned some in another thread who are well qualified by CV. Still haven’t seen the relevant papers, but I’m sure those are out there, too. So don’t go thinking just because someone’s a skeptic, I’m going to favour shutting them out of the debate. But it’s a debate that has to happen in the literature, not the blogosphere. That’s the way of Science. And this is, ultimately, a scientific debate. And with that, good night. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/31-000-american-scientists-cancel-global-warming/451359/103 "2008-06-10T12:39:45Z")
[QUOTE=MrDibble] You realise there’s a difference between editorial comment [/quote] Ahh . . .another Dibble-Distinction. :rolleyes: Spare me. > [@](#): > > Ummm, I fail to see what you think that proves. Of course you don’t see. You concocted a Dibble-Distinction for rhetorical purposes earlier in the thread. Now you have abandoned that distinction since it doesn’t suit your purposes anymore. > [@](#): > > That’s the way of Science. And this is, ultimately, a scientific debate. Except when it’s an editorial comment. Or a scientific argument. Or a scientific claim. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/31-000-american-scientists-cancel-global-warming/451359/104 "2008-06-10T13:01:50Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Ahh . . .another Dibble-Distinction. :rolleyes: Spare me. Of course you don’t see. You concocted a Dibble-Distinction for rhetorical purposes earlier in the thread. Now you have abandoned that distinction since it doesn’t suit your purposes anymore. Except when it’s an editorial comment. Or a scientific argument. Or a scientific claim. Or something like that. [/QUOTE] So, you’ve decided you have nothing to add to the debate and want to go out in a blaze of I-don’t-know-what? Be my guest. But _la-la-la-can’t-hear-you_ isn’t an argument to persuade the undecided. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/31-000-american-scientists-cancel-global-warming/451359/105 "2008-06-10T13:10:58Z")
[QUOTE=MrDibble] So, you’ve decided you have nothing to add to the debate [/quote] Lol. When you say something of substance, as opposed to setting up strawmen and otherwise shucking and jiving, I will try to respond with substance. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2008, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/31-000-american-scientists-cancel-global-warming/451359/106 "2008-06-10T13:36:22Z")
[QUOTE=brazil84] Lol. When you say something of substance, as opposed to setting up strawmen and otherwise shucking and jiving, I will try to respond with substance. [/QUOTE] _Ad hominem_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/31-000-american-scientists-cancel-global-warming/451359.md?page=5)