# 4 Secret Service Agents decide to fight their terminations. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 23, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829 "2012-05-23T13:49:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/21 "2012-05-25T12:47:15Z")
\ Any chance they’re being “encouraged” to fight this by the anti-Obama crowd in order to allow them to continue to talk about Obama and prostitutes in the same sentence repeatedly for days on end? \ ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/22 "2012-05-25T12:52:41Z")
Eh, they’re idiots but they’re not dumb to fight their termination. Government employees have a lot of official avenues for fighting a termination so I see no foul in them utilizing them. However a lot of them are administrative court type things with administrative law judges who interpret the arcane bureaucratic personnel rules and my understanding is they typically always rule in favor of the government. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/23 "2012-05-25T13:00:40Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I knew someone with clean record. But they could not get a security clearance because their dad was a MIA pilot in Vietmam. That person was ripe for being blackmailed and therefore could not get a clearance. How does this work, out of idle curiosity? How does having a relative missing decades ago lead to blackmail? People claiming to know where he is? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/24 "2012-05-25T13:07:49Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > How does this work, out of idle curiosity? How does having a relative missing decades ago lead to blackmail? People claiming to know where he is? You answered your own question there. Though I guess blackmail isn’t the right word for that sorta thing. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/25 "2012-05-25T13:23:14Z")
Will court proceedings be televised? I’d be interested in seeing a “bros before hos” defense in action. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/26 "2012-05-25T14:02:42Z")
I know its kinda stupid to talk about morality…but aren’t SS agents supposed to be a bit “better” than the average man on the street? I mean, these guys have a job to do…though I guess with ex-president Bill Clinton posing with porn stars (at Cannes), the US can’t get much better!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/27 "2012-05-25T18:09:02Z")
Maybe these guys were experimenting with a new security protocol. Instead of throwing themselves between a bullet and the President, they throw a hooker! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/28 "2012-05-25T18:35:10Z")
One of the prostitutes involved pointed out one of the dangers: while sleeping, all of the officer’s notes and electronics could have been compromised. Federal law enforcement officers are not at liberty to fall asleep when their information is not secure. Much less get nekkid, embarrass the service, the country and their spouses. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/29 "2012-05-25T19:08:27Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > One of the prostitutes involved pointed out one of the dangers: while sleeping, all of the officer’s notes and electronics could have been compromised. Federal law enforcement officers are not at liberty to fall asleep when their information is not secure. Much less get nekkid, embarrass the service, the country and their spouses. I’ll admit that I don’t know terribly much in regard to the details of this scandal, but are you telling me that these guys LITERALLY slept with the hookers? ie: banged them, then fell asleep? Are these guys insane? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/30 "2012-05-25T22:34:33Z")
It is my recollection that one of the women said that when her customer was asleep she could have done anything she wanted. If this is true, and he had a laptop computer or some such with him, then it would have been a complete lapse of security at a time when ordinary Americans are subject to a cavity search upon detainment or going through an airport. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/31 "2012-05-25T22:43:06Z")
I read the title as **"4 Secret Service Agents decide to fight the Terminators."** That would have been a better thread. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2012, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/32 "2012-05-25T22:46:52Z")
Cum with me if you want to live (bitch). ---
**Author:** ![kittenblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba8739/32.png) [@kittenblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kittenblue)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/33 "2012-05-26T01:12:43Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > You answered your own question there. Though I guess blackmail isn’t the right word for that sorta thing. I’m still not understanding why this should be an impediment to his employment. And I haven’t been following this story that closely…how many of these guys were married? Kids? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2012, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829/34 "2012-05-26T01:31:08Z")
> [@kittenblue](#): > > I’m still not understanding why this should be an impediment to his employment. Okay, this isnt that complicated but let me give it a go. Imagine it’s still the Cold War and the war is still very cold (or would that be hot?). An Air Force pilot goes missing on a mission in Vietnam. Note the keyword MISSING. Is he alive? Is he dead? Did the North Vietamnese capture him alive after his plane crashed? Heck, maybe he went crazy and defected. Nobody knows. A few years later that pilot’s son/daughter/wife/brother/sister/bestest friend/whoever is now working on a military project with classified information. Some evil Russian spy finds out this info (which shouldn’t be too hard to find actually). They approach said person and tells them “we have your guy/know where he is. He was captured alive. If you just give us some info we might be able to “free” him.” Seems to me thats about the worst case scenario for somebody possibly revealing secret information baring something even more extreme like a recent kidnapping of a loved one being held for informational ransom. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-secret-service-agents-decide-to-fight-their-terminations/622829.md?page=1)