4 - ten hour day work week

I’ve worked in companies with “alternative work schedules” and here’s what I’ve noticed:

“Summer Hours” (9 hr M-Th, 4 hr F)
PROS: 1/2 day Friday is perfect for taking off early for the weekend and beating the shore traffic

CONS: If you are busy on Fri, you end up may end up working a full day anyway
“Flex-Time” (8 hr M-F, core hours btw 10:00am - 3:pm)
PROS: Lots of flexibility. Drop of the kids…fix the car…etc

CONS: An absolute nightmare for coordinating anything. This guy comes in at 5:00am, that guys stays until 7:00pm. So and so took a late lunch. It makes it very tough to get anything done
“Work From Home”
PROS: No commute, no corporate dress code, comfortable

CONS: Touch to coordinate with others. Isolating. Becomes too “task focused”.
In many corporate white collar jobs, the employees aren’t “clock-punchers”. 9-5 is a baseline but they typically have to come in earlier or stay later in order to meet client needs, put out a fire, finish a project for a particular deadline or hit a sales goal. Most of these jobs don’t tolerate someone dropping whatever they are doing and running to their car like Fred Flinstone sliding down the brotosaurus crane when the whistle blows.

It’s the diference between being hired to do a job vs doing a task over and over again.

Other variations of the 4x10

3x10, 2x5 - That keeps you there for five days if needed.

work 4x10 then have saturday and sunday off, then 4x10 and have off thursday through sunday, repeat as necessary.

work 10s on monday and tuesday, take wednesday off then work 10s on thursday and friday and have the weekend off.

or any combination of the above. In the long run you have greater flexibility as a worker.

Many production companies already have this schedule. The production crew at my company works 4 10’s, simply because it is more productive. When you count the time it takes to set up and get going in the morning, and then clean up at night, it makes more sense to have longer days where more can get done. If they get overtime, they still have to work a Friday, but it usually a shorter day. In the office (where I work), we are quite flexible and have something like the “core hours” idea in msmith’s post. I usually work 4 9’s and a 4, but am allowed to work 4 10’s, or 5 8’s, or whatever. I think more employers are starting to get the idea that 9 to 5, Mon-Fri. is not a hard and fast rule. It would be more difficult for businesses that need set hours for the public (like retail) to switch, though.

Steverino -

Double-check. I’m not sure that’s the case; I was working 4-10s up until this time last year.

I, being a crazy college student, once spent a fair bit of summer working 3 8-hour days and 4 4-hour days.

Many businesses these days are open earlier/later/more days in an attempt to be more competitive. Forcing a 4x10 workweek would require additional staff. Additional staff requires additional infrastructure to support them (lockers, break facilities, checks to be cut, w-2s to file, etc, etc. Additional infrastructure costs more money. Even though they are not all on duty at once there are also additional laws that kick in for companies over a certain size (insurance for example).

I humbly submit my very first post.

I have been working 4 10-hour days since April. I love it. The biggest “pro” for me is that I take far less time off. Having that extra day off gives me more of a chance to re-energize, so I don’t really have the need to take a day off, even if it’s just “me time”.

The job I have is strictly for a paycheck - I never think about it outside of work. The rest of the time, I am a musician (a writer, not so much a performer). I have all day Friday to write, and since it takes me a while to get into the creative “zone”, this works out perfectly.

My company also allows me to start at whatever time I want. So I start at 7:30 and work until about 6:15 in the evening. For a while, I experimented with starting at 6 AM and leaving around 4:30, but I couldn’t handle getting up that early.

The only drawback: the work tends to pile up on my desk when I’m not around on Friday!

But I’d suggest to anyone to try it if they can.

Thank you. Now I slink quietly back into the shadows of lurkdom.

A variation on the theme, that was in effect at one of the previous companies that did me the honour of employing me:
9hrs Monday - Thursday
8hrs Friday of week A
0hrs Friday of week B

Every Friday the office was staffed (but with half the usual complement of people), and every other Friday was an off day for the people that had worked the previous Friday.

MHO - With the advances in technology that enable a worker to accomplish more in the same amount of time, I think that the USA is ready for a country-wide reduction in work hours. The 30 or 35-hr work week should become a standard.

I’d love to do that. Mmm, actual time to do things not work, family, or survival related. Problem would be convincing employers to give us a 12-25% pay increase to make up for less hours (for those working an hourly wage).

Sister, you might be right. Maybe it was reinstated after I left CA (which was almost 3 years ago); maybe Davis talked about eliminating the 4/10 overtime exemption but never actually did. But I do recall there being talk of eliminating it, and I thought it had been eliminated before I moved away.

I worked a schedule like that only it turned into a 5 days and 10 hours and then into 5 days at 12 hours and then to sometimes 6 days at 10-12 hours. Also Salary workers were then expected to work 10 hours 5 days aweek because the work day was longer. 10 hours a day sucks if you commute far too. It was the start of a downhill slide for my department that prompted me to leave.

I don’t see this happening, certainly not anytime soon. Americans have incessantly demanded more and more flexibility out of the business institutions. Being able to shop at all hours of the day and night on the Internet has put pressure on brick and mortar stores to extend hours. Heck, even bank hours have been seriously extended at a great many institutions. Even if you fill those customer-facing positions with shift workers and let the core businesspeople go home after 30-35 hours you’d have employers forced into more hiring to continue to meet the demands of their customers. It’s not throughput that is the problem(throughput is being increased with productivity suites), it’s the on-demand nature of a great many businesses. Lots of pressure to either have some sort of customer care after-hours or to have extended hours.

I just don’t see a reduction in hours per week coming anytime soon :frowning:

Enjoy,
Steven

Ask someone with a repatative-stress injury (tendonitis, carpal tunnel, etc) and they’ll probably opt for a 4x8 schedule. There are already plenty of studies that say that productivity drops and negative effects start occuring the longer you’re doing your job.

This one’s from just the other day:
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/Infotech/0,1113,2-13-45_1281164,00.html

I’m sure this kind of effect varies from job type to job type. I’m sure there are some jobs where there isn’t much physical exertion or stress, but for the rest of jobs, people get tired! Try increasing the hours for a assembly line worker, or a data-entry clerk. Chances are there is more fatigue and mistakes. How could there not be?

So go ahead, ruin your hands, backs, wrists, whatever - just make sure that my airplane pilot, surgeon, and National Guard pilots get all their needed sleep.

A family member of mine worked a 3x12 schedule for a while. Actually, it was better than that because work days for week one were Thurs, Fri, Sat then for week two were Sun Mon Tue.

Welcome to the boards, Barrytown! :slight_smile:

As for me—I’m all for it. I am also working for just the paycheck (though my job has a worthwhile aspect to it) and I’d love to have a 3 day weekend. Could get out of Hooterville more often. That would be nice.

At the moment I am working up to a seven-day, twelve-hour/day week. And am fine so far. It will usually be 6day/12hours though, with one of the days just 8 hours long.

We’ll see. At the moment, the biggest issue is not having enough time to play Baldur’s Gate II :wink:

I work 3x14. I would probably get violent if I had to change my shift. 4 days off every week is far too convenient.

I have been working a compressed week for several years and normally work Sun-Wed from 1100-2100 hrs.

Positives: My productivity has never been better, I feel less rushed at work, and having three days off gives me sufficient time to refresh myself, spend time with Lola and the kids, and take care of other business. I also have the option of splitting one of my workdays so that I work 3 10’s and 2 5’s which is something I do fairly often, usually so I can spend more time with Lola when she’s off school.

My long weekends are 4 days long and I get paid for 10 hours on stat holidays rather then everyone else’s 8.

Negatives: I get pretty exhausted on my workdays but that is due more to everyone else’s schedule than my own. Having to get the wife and kids up at 6am, get them off to school, and then go to work for ten hours makes for one really long day. I usually help tidy the house when I get home as Lola needs as much study time as possible so I rarely get to bed before midnight.

I used to work back to back 16 hour shifts plus one 8 hour day… now that was rough.

I haven’t read the entire thread, but I used to work a 4/40 schedule. At the time, my one-way commute was 70 miles. I saved a lot of money by not having to drive one day per week.

Another advantage was the long weekends. When I worked 4/40 schedule I had more time to read and work on hobbies. Since I stopped working that schedule I seem to have almost no time for such things. Long weekends also enabled me to travel a bit. A couple of times I took off to Utah just because I had the time to. If I still worked 4/40, I would be going all over.

I think that businesses could easily adjust to a 4/40 schedule if they had any imagination. While our small office had to work the same days for reasons that are unimportant to this discussion, larger businesses can have half of their employees work Monday through Thursday, and the other half work Tuesday through Friday. Or some people could work M-Th, some could work Tu-F, some could take a day off mid-week (e.g., Wednesday), and some could opt for a five-day week. I would have each employee choose a schedule that meets business needs, and stick to it. (i.e., take the same day off each week, rather than having it “float”; and the schedules would have to be approved by the department managers so as to ensure coverage for the whole week.)

Better still, I think that telecommuting should be encouraged. I am perfectly able to perform my job remotely. If I was telecommuting I would save about $150/month in fuel costs. If everyone else whose job could be done remotely telecommuted, they would save money not only for themselves, but also for those who did have to be on the road. How? By not being on the road, the roads would be less crowded. This would allow drivers to operate their vehicles more efficiently. If we had millions of people not driving, we could reduce or even eliminate our dependence on foreign oil. The environment would be better off because pollutants would be reduced dramatically. Telecommunications technology would improve by leaps and bounds, becoming faster and cheaper as demand requires it. Telecom infrastructures would be upgraded.

Working parents could be at home with their children. While this could be seen to negatively impact the ability to work, I think that ultimately less time would be lost due to child issues. Also, I think people would be less inclined to take sick days; not only because they can work from home whilst they are sick, but also because they would work harder and longer to prove that telecommuting is viable and that they are not abusing it.

In addition to gasoline and maintenance on your vehicle, how much do you spend away from home? Unless you pack your lunch, you’re liable to go out. In the area where I work ten or fifteen dollars is not uncommon for a lunch. (I typically pay $7 to $12.) That’s roughly $200 a month in lunches, when just grabbing something out of the fridge costs much less. Less expensive clothing could be worn, reducing clothing costs. If you’re not wearing clothes that have to be dry-cleaned, then you save on dry cleaning costs.

Going to the market could be done on your lunch hour, saving time in the evening. Errands that require taking time off from work could similarly be done.

Meetings could be conducted on a conference phone (all of our meeting rooms have speaker phones for just this reason) or even by videoconferencing.

Businesses would save millions by having much smaller offices. The company I work for just built a large, multi-building campus in a fairly expensive part of town. Our division is renting two floors of a large building. With telecommuting, the new campus would not have been necessary. Employees coming into the office could fit into the rented floors, or a much smaller “campus” could have been built which would have saved tens of millions of dollars. (Incidentally, our mainframe and Unix are located in Texas; so the company as a whole is “telecommuting” already.)

Quality of life would increase. Everyone knows how much I hate living in Southern California. If I could telecommute I could live up in Washington. Thus I would not only save money by not driving to work (gas, oil, insurance, maintenance), but my living expenses would be cut by 20% to 50% (depending on if I rent a house, or buy one). Plus, I would be in a place where kayaking, hiking, camping, etc. are closer, easier and better. This would reduce health care costs by allowing me to live a healthier lifestyle. A healthy, happy employee is a good employee! (Not that I’m not a good employee now, of course!)

So I’m all for a 4/40 schedule and for telecommuting. Sign me up!

Interesting, but Europeans get an obscene amount of vacation compared to Americans, in general. I got two weeks paid vacation, and that was pretty good considering my young age, in a high-tech job. The only guys getting 5 weeks in the US are execs, aged union members, and teachers, I’d warrant.