# 4 University of Idaho students stabbed to death \[November 16, 2022\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 17, 2022, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063 "2022-11-17T04:49:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/61 "2022-11-19T17:54:23Z")
Both women were trying to reach Jack just before the murders. It’s interesting because it’s been my experience that young people Text instead of calling. What prompted repeated calls to Jack at almost 3am? Cite [Idaho murder victim's sister says she called man 7 times night of slayings: Report](https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murder-victims-sister-says-she-called-man-6-times-night-slayings-report) > [@](#): > > At 2:26 a.m., Kaylee starts to call Jack," Alivea Goncalvez told “Inside Edition,” which described Jack as a young man. “Kaylee calls Jack six times between 2:26 a.m. and 2:44 a.m. From 2:44 to 2:52 Maddie calls Jack three times, then Kaylee makes a final call to him at 2:52 a.m.” > > Kaylee Goncalvez has photos with a young man named Jack posted to her Instagram account ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/62 "2022-11-19T18:21:44Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > What prompted repeated calls to Jack at almost 3am? ‘Jack’ is a drug dealer. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/63 "2022-11-19T18:25:28Z")
Lol that would make sense. It’s hard to fathom how 4 college kids were targeted. A stalker would harm the person they are obsessed with. Hopefully forensics will identify who did it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/64 "2022-11-19T18:42:12Z")
[INDEPENDENT 17-Nov 2022](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/university-of-idaho-murders-knife-threat-b2227037.html) **University of Idaho issued ‘knife threat’ warning weeks before four students stabbed to death** - The warning, described as a ‘Threat with Knife’, reported that a group of students had been walking through the campus when a man threatened them with a knife - The university’s security issued a “Vandal Alert” to students and staff back on 12 September warning them about an assailant armed with a knife. Now we’re getting somewhere. The students who witnessed this will be able to look at campus cameras and any other camera images to identify that person… Unless it’s the 4 who were murdered. I’m wondering what the knife wielding person said to the students and what the knife looked like? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/65 "2022-11-19T18:58:18Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > ‘Jack’ is a drug dealer. An interesting thought. His identity will eventually enter into public domain. If they were calling a drug dealer at that time of night that suggests they were planning on staying up. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/66 "2022-11-19T19:57:04Z")
I’m not visiting Fox news to see, but how does the sister claim to know this? If the phone company’s records show that one of the victim’s phones called or texted “Jack”, how does the sister, the cops, or us know the user of the phone was the victim, rather than the killer or an accomplice well post-mortem? Using the victim’s stuff to leave a misleading trail of timestamped deliberately fake “evidence” is bog standard bad guy stuff. At least according to TV. And I bet a lot of bad guys watch at least some TV. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/67 "2022-11-19T20:16:28Z")
The sister was interviewed on Inside Edition. Fox news only reported what she said. The phone may be part of the parents family plan. I would guess they can see logs of calls. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/68 "2022-11-19T21:58:12Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > An interesting thought. His identity will eventually enter into public domain. If they were calling a drug dealer at that time of night that suggests they were planning on staying up. Or Jack is just some guy the young lady was involved with or interested in. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/69 "2022-11-19T22:01:52Z")
Jack is Jack DuCoeur, the former boyfriend of one of the victims ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/70 "2022-11-19T23:15:08Z")
“Jack” was called by 2 of the slain women at close to the same time so both of them wanted to talk to him. Even if it’s a murder mystery ruse it still connects “jack” to someone with knowledge of him. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/71 "2022-11-20T02:36:39Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > it’s been my experience that young people Text instead of calling. It’s been my experience that if you don’t return their text within what they think is a reasonable time, they call. “You weren’t answering your texts!” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/72 "2022-11-21T14:20:56Z")
A neighbors dog was killed and skinned a few months ago. Perhaps someone vented their sick feelings on the dog before escalating to people? It’s one of many possibilities. I know the torturing and killing of animals is a Trope from horror fiction. It does happen in real life. > **[Who is Pam Colbert? Woman's dog may have been killed with same knife used in...](https://meaww.com/pam-colbert-dog-may-have-been-killed-same-knife-used-university-of-idaho-murders)** > > The dog was skinned just weeks before the students - Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, and Ethan Chaplin - were murdered ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/73 "2022-11-21T16:53:09Z")
More like art [imitating life](https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/129343/the-link-between-animal-cruelty-and-antisocial-personality-disorders/). > An article titled “Teaching Children Compassion” says that, according to FBI profilers, psychiatric professionals, law-enforcement officials and child advocacy organizations, people who hurt animals may eventually direct violence toward humans. Cruelty to animals is considered one of three symptoms that predict the development of a psychopath, and it is included as a criterion for a conduct disorder in children by the American Psychiatric Association. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/74 "2022-11-21T17:12:24Z")
This is why Oregon has an aggravated animal abuse statute (that may be reported out from otherwise confidential settings). > **ORS 609.654 Public or private official reporting of aggravated animal abuse** > > Notwithstanding [ORS 40.225 (Rule 503. Lawyer-client privilege)](https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_40.225) to [40.295 (Rule 514. Effect on existing privileges)](https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_40.295), a public or private official who has reasonable cause to believe that an animal with which the official has come in contact has suffered aggravated animal abuse, or that any person with whom the official has come in contact has committed aggravated animal abuse, may immediately report the suspected aggravated animal abuse in the manner prescribed in subsection (2) of this section. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/75 "2022-11-21T17:38:57Z")
The murder.of these.students.aeems like there’s a psychopath in tbe area. The timing is especially cruel. A few days before Thanksgiving. It makes it worse for tbe families. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/76 "2022-11-22T00:06:58Z")
Inside Addition said 2 of the girls got a ride home from an unknown person. Not sure how to take that. Unknown to the girls or unknown as of the time of reporting. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/77 "2022-11-22T15:16:17Z")
It just means unknown to the media. The police are releasing very little information so there is a massive amount of speculation. I think I read an article where it said the police had cleared this driver, but I don’t remember where. If you want to see a massive amount of speculation: > **[r/MoscowMurders](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/)** > > r/MoscowMurders: A true crime community to discuss the ongoing investigation into the murders of University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, Kaylee … ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/78 "2022-11-22T16:54:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > A few days before Thanksgiving. It makes it worse for tbe families. I can’t imagine for a second that the families give a crap that it is or is not near Thanksgiving. I assure you, their grief would be the same in any other season. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/79 "2022-11-22T18:36:28Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I can’t imagine for a second that the families give a crap that it is or is not near Thanksgiving. I assure you, their grief would be the same in any other season. Yes, you’re right of course. But future Thanksgivings will forever be a reminder of the event which is how I interpreted the post. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063/80 "2022-11-22T18:53:52Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > If you want to see a massive amount of speculation: Wow. That’s a whole lotta Grab-Ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/4-university-of-idaho-students-stabbed-to-death-november-16-2022/975063.md?page=5)