# $400 million bribe if the GOP repeals the Affordable Care Act? It can't be true, right... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 22, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934 "2017-09-22T03:14:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/61 "2017-09-23T02:35:25Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > It’s not biased to suspect a fix being in if one party is in favor of policies that benefit 99% of people, the other wants parties that benefit 1% of the people, and the 1% have more money available to spend than basically all the money held by the 99%. > > It’s basic reasoning and math. If you are not making at least $200,000 a year, you probably can’t keep up with your COBRA premiums if you are fired or laid off. Since the Republicans are just a couple votes short of removing any alternative to employer funded health insurance, you’re an idiot if you support repealing the ACA. Yet, weirdly, a political party seems to be all for it. Wonder why. Maybe it’s because of propaganda. Why would there be more propaganda supporting the GOP if they don’t have more money to spend? Speaking as a liberal, I don’t think you understand conservative political opinions in the slightest. What you’re surmising here is just as fanciful as conservative crackpots who insist that Democrats hoodwink African Americans to vote for them, but actually have never cared about policies that help the black community. Do you know any conservatives in real life that you can talk to and exchange ideas with, just to hear what they think? Or do you just presume that any conservatives you talk to who aren’t part of the one percent have just been brainwashed? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/62 "2017-09-23T03:16:03Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > This argument is weak. If I see someone hitting their own head with a hammer, I can evaluate their action and in fact prove pretty conclusively that they are not acting in their own best interests. > > If being alive and not bankrupt is universally considered to be in the best interest of someone, then I can systematically prove that affordable health coverage is in the best interests of every U.S. citizen who is not so rich they can’t pay a million dollar medical bill in cash. > > I could work out each and every step of the proof, if you want to see it, I will. > > Given the undeniable proof, that’s where you end up wondering if it’s just that people are stupid in general, or they are being fooled by convincing propaganda, or they are just ignorant about basic economics, or they have a false belief that they will be rich enough to pay a million dollar bill in the very near future, or they believe they are never going to be fired or laid off, or if they believe that god will prevent any such million dollar injuries to their person. I’m a conservative who could not pay a million dollar medical bill in cash, but I preferred the insurance system we had before ObamaCare. My personal insurance situation has gotten markedly worse under ObamaCare, and I’d like to see it repealed. Do you think I can’t determine what’s in my own best interest? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/63 "2017-09-23T03:21:44Z")
[moderating] > [@SamuelA](#): > > It’s basic reasoning and math. If you are not making at least $200,000 a year, you probably can’t keep up with your COBRA premiums if you are fired or laid off. Since the Republicans are just a couple votes short of removing any alternative to employer funded health insurance,\*\* you’re an idiot if you support repealing the ACA.\*\* Yet, weirdly, a political party seems to be all for it. Wonder why. Maybe it’s because of propaganda. Why would there be more propaganda supporting the GOP if they don’t have more money to spend? (my bold) This is stretching the line between generalized insults and personal insults. Given there are certainly posters on this board who support repealing the ACA and it’s ostensibly related to the topic that you are engaging other posters about in this thread, I recommend staying away from this type of construction. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/64 "2017-09-23T03:22:29Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > … the Republicans are just a couple votes short of removing any alternative to employer funded health insurance … Is this your understanding of what the Graham-Cassidy bill would do? Where did you acquire that “information”? Can I politely suggest that you treat any future claims from that source with a healthy degree of skepticism? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/65 "2017-09-23T03:31:24Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m a conservative who could not pay a million dollar medical bill in cash, but I preferred the insurance system we had before ObamaCare. My personal insurance situation has gotten markedly worse under ObamaCare, and I’d like to see it repealed. Do you think I can’t determine what’s in my own best interest? You can argue that ObamaCare does not do a proper job, but the reality is that the big lie from the republicans in congress is that this is repealing and replacing it with something better. It is not. The reality is that after ObamaCare something better was needed and the Republicans in congress just decided that it was better to lie. > **[Republicans Have Basically Admitted That Obamacare Repeal Is Built on Lies](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/09/graham-cassidy-like-all-obamacare-repeal-is-built-on-lies.html)** > > It’s gotten to the point where the lie doesn’t even matter anymore. > [@](#): > > It is telling, in all of this, that Graham and Cassidy are pushing their bill without an official “score” from the Congressional Budget Office—they didn’t leave the CBO enough time to produce one. It suggests they know their claims won’t stand to scrutiny. > > The most visible and vocal Republican to lie about the provisions of Graham-Cassidy is President Donald Trump. “I would not sign Graham-Cassidy if it did not include coverage of pre-existing conditions,” he said on Twitter. “It does! A great Bill. Repeal & Replace.” It doesn’t. Although, in fairness to a president not known for his grasp of policy, he may not know the details of the bill. If true, he wouldn’t be alone. When Vox asked several GOP senators to explain what Graham-Cassidy does and how it affects the public, they fell short, leaning heavily on platitudes about small government. “More state innovation. More input from the states,” said Georgia Sen. Johnny Isakson when pressed on what he liked about the bill, giving a typical answer. > > But it’s not just Graham-Cassidy: Republicans have had a hard time telling the truth about their health care plans with every attempt since Trump took office. > > From the moment they introduced it in March, House Republicans lied to sell the American Health Care Act, their version of Obamacare repeal. “We’re not taking a benefit away. Nobody on Medicaid is going to be taken away,” said House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy. After Republicans amended the bill to let states waive key regulations protecting consumers with pre-existing conditions, Speaker Paul Ryan insisted that the opposite had happened and that the AHCA protected sick people from being overcharged for health insurance. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/66 "2017-09-23T03:39:25Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > [moderating] > (my bold) > This is stretching the line between generalized insults and personal insults. Given there are certainly posters on this board who support repealing the ACA and it’s ostensibly related to the topic that you are engaging other posters about in this thread, I recommend staying away from this type of construction. > > [/moderating] Ok, acknowledged. As a side note, if a position _were_ idiotic on it’s face - that is, not supportable by any rational being with knowledge of the facts - can you state it as such? Can flat earthers be called idiots? I’m simply wondering if you’re taking a viewpoint that there _is_ a possible way to interpret the facts that supports repealing ACA if you don’t have a million dollars, or simply that there’s enough posters who support it that by definition they can’t all be dumb. So by induction, if there were, say, 10 flat earthers on this forum, I couldn’t call them idiots, either. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/67 "2017-09-23T03:48:28Z")
I would like to hear more from those who don’t support ACA. From what I know, it’s a cut and dried actuarial equation. No healthcare plan proposed by the republican party has an actuarial chance of preventing someone’s death better than the ACA, so there is an objective answer here. The pre ACA world, the premiums were lower but the actual risk of having an uncovered medical event crop up was higher. This is objectively verifiable and true in the same way that in a world where all cars are replaced with motorcycles, your risk of death is higher. Even though, it is true, you are spending less on your vehicle. Someone who disagrees is just as wrong as someone who disagrees with x+2 = 4, x=2. If you disagree about the value of x…ok, you’re wrong. Maybe the word idiot is a bit far, but if you are told the value of x is 2, shown how to do algebra, and then claim that Rush Limbaugh told you it was 3…that’s where I am coming from. That’s why I was using that word. I’m sorry for doing so, I was trying to say that millions of Florida rednecks or whoever else is a hardcore republican/racist/trump voter are all idiots, I wasn’t trying to address the claim at any specific poster. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/68 "2017-09-23T04:00:26Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > This argument is weak. If I see someone hitting their own head with a hammer, I can evaluate their action and in fact prove pretty conclusively that they are not acting in their own best interests. > > If being alive and not bankrupt is universally considered to be in the best interest of someone, then I can systematically prove that affordable health coverage is in the best interests of every U.S. citizen who is not so rich they can’t pay a million dollar medical bill in cash. > > I could work out each and every step of the proof, if you want to see it, I will. You can’t. Unless you assert that being alive and not bankrupt is the highest of all possible values, that is, outweighing self-determination and freedom. How can you do that? How do you quantify those and weigh them against each other? How do you determine the value of living in a country in which people are generally free to keep what they earn and are not responsible for paying for others’ health costs? Can you show me, by proof, that this is so? I am pretty confident your “undeniable proof,” is going to consist of postulates that you accept and I don’t, but I’m willing to learn. Trot it out. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/69 "2017-09-23T04:04:55Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > I would like to hear more from those who don’t support ACA. From what I know, it’s a cut and dried actuarial equation. No healthcare plan proposed by the republican party has an actuarial chance of preventing someone’s death better than the ACA, so there is an objective answer here. > > The pre ACA world, the premiums were lower but the actual risk of having an uncovered medical event crop up was higher. This is objectively verifiable and true in the same way that in a world where all cars are replaced with motorcycles, your risk of death is higher. Even though, it is true, you are spending less on your vehicle. > > Someone who disagrees is just as wrong as someone who disagrees with x+2 = 4, x=2. If you disagree about the value of x…ok, you’re wrong. Maybe the word idiot is a bit far, but if you are told the value of x is 2, shown how to do algebra, and then claim that Rush Limbaugh told you it was 3…that’s where I am coming from. That’s why I was using that word. I’m sorry for doing so, I was trying to say that millions of Florida rednecks or whoever else is a hardcore republican/racist/trump voter are all idiots, I wasn’t trying to address the claim at any specific poster. I don’t support the ACA. The reason is that I believe there is value in establishing the norm that, whenever possible, people pay their own costs, as opposed to demanding that all of us share in a risk pool. Now, this is obviously a non-falsifiable assertion on my part, since such value is not quantifiable. But the whole point of non-falsifiablity is that . . . wait for it . . . you cannot falsify it. It’s simply an assertion, a postulate just as its opposite number is. You mention “death,” as a sort of a trump card (no pun intended). But death is preferable to many worse outcomes. I’d rather die, myself, than experience a whole host of other fates. How can you PROVE this is a poor choice on my part? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/70 "2017-09-23T04:18:14Z")
Well, as I mentioned many times before I’m alive thanks to the ACA, I guess then that destiny allowed me to tell you that your assertion sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/71 "2017-09-23T05:18:23Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, as I mentioned many times before I’m alive thanks to the ACA, I guess then that destiny allowed me to tell you that your assertion sucks. For you, sure, but my utility function differs from yours. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/72 "2017-09-23T05:25:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The reason is that I believe there is value in establishing the norm that, whenever possible, people pay their own costs, as opposed to demanding that all of us share in a risk pool. That’s a nice philosophical position to have. The issue here is that medical costs have risen past any level of reasonableness to a fantasy land of monopoly money. No one who is not literally in the top 0.1% of income can actually pay their own costs if they have to pay the cash rate. I would generally agree with you if we were talking about other goods, where the prices are reasonable or there is a straightforward way to get a fair price, such as food or housing. Are you aware of this fact, do you deny it, or are you just not factoring it in? ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/73 "2017-09-23T05:31:34Z")
As a side note, there are residents of low income neighborhoods who are not actually involved in crime. They are usually black, and poor by definition. If someone who must live there is hit by a stray bullet, how _should_ it work? They can’t pay for their own rehab so they can go back to work, because the cash price is past any level of reasonableness. The stray bullet was not from an unhealthy lifestyle. The shooter, if they can be caught, does not have the assets to pay the liability. In this specific scenario, under your philosophy, what do you want to happen? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/74 "2017-09-23T05:55:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > For you, sure, but my utility function differs from yours. As I pointed many times before, I post not to convince people with sorry opinions like the ones you have. Suffice to say to you that you will always realize that someone will be alive to then get a better job that will pay taxes to support soon (if not now) your Medicare on your later years. As I pointed before too, you are welcome… even if you still oppose solutions that use risk pools. I see that it is important to post for the ones that can be convinced that it is asinine that a developed nation is not capable of realizing that health care can be cheaper and accessible to all and it is not just philosophical point. The late Hans Rosling and many other economists and statisticians showed that health care in America costs much, much more than alternatives that most other developed nations have deployed (yes, that cost includes your taxes too); and on top of that they cover all their citizens so less of them die for lack of health care. And that was the case before ACA came along. The ACA is IMHO just a small step forward, and it needed to be replaced by something better. The current solutions the Republicans have come up with are not better at all. That the Republicans in congress have managed to convince some people to cut off their nose to spite their faces is not only dumb, it is also not reasonable nor sustainable. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/75 "2017-09-23T06:11:01Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That the Republicans in congress have managed to convince some people to cut off their nose to spite their faces is not only dumb, it is also not reasonable nor sustainable. And Bricker here has taken the position that the people with the bloody knives in their hand as they are cutting their own noses off are just going by a “different philosophy” that we cannot sit here and credibly say is better or worse, as it is a “non falsifiable assumption” to say mutilating yourself pointlessly is bad. (or risk your own death when you gain nothing by doing so) Also, a side note, it actually is in fact falsifiable in several different ways. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/76 "2017-09-23T13:17:50Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > That’s a nice philosophical position to have. The issue here is that medical costs have risen past any level of reasonableness to a fantasy land of monopoly money. No one who is not literally in the top 0.1% of income can actually pay their own costs if they have to pay the cash rate. I would generally agree with you if we were talking about other goods, where the prices are reasonable or there is a straightforward way to get a fair price, such as food or housing. > > Are you aware of this fact, do you deny it, or are you just not factoring it in? Prior to the ACA, it was possible to buy individual health insurance plans, so even if I concede the claim, it’s not one addresses the provable absolute necessity of the ACA with irrefutable 2+2=4 level certainty. I agree that cash payments for serious illnesses without insurance could bankrupt most people. So what? It may have escaped your notice, but the country existed without the ACA and also without becoming an apocalyptic wasteland. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/77 "2017-09-23T13:22:29Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > The stray bullet was not from an unhealthy lifestyle. The shooter, if they can be caught, does not have the assets to pay the liability. In this specific scenario, under your philosophy, what do you want to happen? As another side note, that bullet may still fly today and kill such a resident. Why don’t you support an initiative to replace Sheetrock with hardened steel walls in every such neighborhood? I assume it’s not some sort of cost-benefit analysis in which you assign some sort of non-provable weight to human life as balanced against risks and costs, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/78 "2017-09-23T13:25:37Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The ACA is IMHO just a small step forward, and it needed to be replaced by something better. The current solutions the Republicans have come up with are not better at all. Sure. And it’s a reasonable opinion. But it’s an opinion, not a provable, 2+2=4 fact. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/79 "2017-09-23T13:33:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure. And it’s a reasonable opinion. > > But it’s an opinion, not a provable, 2+2=4 fact. Read it again, the fact is that I’m alive to tell you once again that your opinion is not reasonable at all; your sorry opinion was made due to the pathological lies the Republicans in congress are using in the attempt to deny access to millions that already have it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934/80 "2017-09-23T13:48:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Prior to the ACA, it was possible to buy individual health insurance plans, so even if I concede the claim, it’s not one addresses the provable absolute necessity of the ACA with irrefutable 2+2=4 level certainty. > > I agree that cash payments for serious illnesses without insurance could bankrupt most people. So what? > > It may have escaped your notice, but the country existed without the ACA and also without becoming an apocalyptic wasteland. So it was the thought that house prices increasing and the number of bankruptcies due to that will never affect the Housing market. And that a then probable bubble bursting was not going to affect the overall economy. After many years of looking at the issues I have to say that the health care market will be the next big bubble to burst. > **[The health care industry is bound to collapse soon, experts say](https://nypost.com/2017/04/30/the-health-care-industry-is-bound-to-collapse-soon-experts-say/)** > > The US health care sector may be incubating the next big Lehman-style disaster that could tip the economy into a full-blown recession, according to industry analysts. Forget about the subprime mort… > [@](#): > > “It could be like a Lehman Brothers scenario, where a couple of big health care companies take the economy down,” Burns told The Post. That is **what**. BTW in the past I pointed out that that was the trend with no ACA present, I know ACA is not much relevant to controlling costs, but as I pointed before ACA was dealing with access and help reduce bankruptcies. The next step needed yesterday (but that virtually all Republicans deny) was to finally realize that costs are unreasonable and unjustifiable. Hence the need for improvements for ACA and/or bigger and better reforms. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/400-million-bribe-if-the-gop-repeals-the-affordable-care-act-it-cant-be-true-right/796934.md?page=5)